Big Pharma's Secret Agenda Exposed !!!!

oslo wrote:

Sir Stewart Wallace wrote:

What abbot the huge swine flu epidemic last year where everyone was told to get a flu shot or else. That worked out well.

It sure did. People got the shot, and the swine flu never developed into as big a problem as it could've been.

Are you really that dumb? I mean seriously?

Well, seems he IS that dumb.

In my country no one got vaccine, simply because goverment didn't bought them and they were not allowed to be sold freely. And guess what? Swine flu killed exactly same amount of people as plain flu year ago, same as 2 years ago, same as 3 years ago... vaccination didn't changed anything.

Besides that, keep in mind that vitamin D works MUCH better than any flu vaccine.

Haha, tomtom I remember you from the other swine flu thread from last year. If I'm not mistaken, you're Polish. And woefully uneducated, but hooked on some fascination with Vitamin D (and apparently you've taken a liking to C as well these days).

Cure polio with vitamin C? You're a silly boy.

this ones funny wrote:

Retardalert. wrote:

Hardly anything he said in the entire thing was based on fact. In fact it was insanely ridiculous, he should be jailed for saying such crap.

The pharma companies might be corrupt, but this guy is one big piece of crap.

High toxic environment! liver becomes a toxic waste dump! Causing dementia....yea that's proven.

H1N1 vaccine....did they mention that this was free? and cost the government tons of money?

Also big conspiracy theory...the US government has done some horrible things in the past, humans have done horrible things in the past. Can't trust whites today because 40 years ago they were more racist! Can't trust men because they used to be more sexist! Please. This guy is one big crock of s.it

sheep alert!!!

I find it ironic that you say sheep alert when sheep are supposed to come in herds. If you were standing in a herd of sheep all blindly going in the same direction would you say "sheep alert!" when you saw one specific sheep? It seems antithetical to assume you are in a mass of people all doing the same things and then alert others to the presence of one of these people when they are supposedly all around.

Not arguing against you, just thought that was interesting.

oslo wrote:

Haha, tomtom I remember you from the other swine flu thread from last year. If I'm not mistaken, you're Polish. And woefully uneducated, but hooked on some fascination with Vitamin D (and apparently you've taken a liking to C as well these days).

Cure polio with vitamin C? You're a silly boy.

Yes, cure polio with vitamin C. Was done hundred times. And many other viral diseases, like hepatitis C.

And I remember you too, well, talking about lack of education.. erm... nvm :D

No offense to those touting Vitamin C and Vitamin D (which I take often, because it helps) but you are an idiot if you believe that they CURE polio and the flu. It can help prevent, maybe. But a vitamin will NOT stop a virus.

Get real.

A real MD wrote:

Ignore the troll OP here. Everyone who has an adequate education understands that vaccines work. It's the sheep who are woefully undereducated but get their hands on some silly cult brochures and think they've stumbled upon some huge secret who are severely deluded.

I used to get annoyed by the anti-vaccine idiots. Now I just feel sorry for them.

I would suggest you were not a real MD, but only a real MD could be so arrogant.

Arrogance and ignorance are a lethal combination.

tomtom wrote:

Yes, cure polio with vitamin C. Was done hundred times. And many other viral diseases, like hepatitis C.

....talking about lack of education....

Seriously. No one with an ounce of medical education would make such a ridiculous and absurd claim. Unless they were trolling.

Vitamins do not cure viruses.

Marrow2000 wrote:

No offense to those touting Vitamin C and Vitamin D (which I take often, because it helps) but you are an idiot if you believe that they CURE polio and the flu. It can help prevent, maybe. But a vitamin will NOT stop a virus.

Get real.

1. high dose of vitamin D prevent flu with almost 100% efficiency. This is only and one reason why flu epidemic ALWAYS happen during winter.

2. High doses of vitamin C cure most viral infections in few days.

Yes, believing in something is sign of idiocy - just like your faith in lack of efficiency. Luckily, my views are based on studies, not faith.

oslo wrote:

Seriously. No one with an ounce of medical education would make such a ridiculous and absurd claim. Unless they were trolling.

Vitamins do not cure viruses.

Sure, they do not cure. Your education is astonishing.

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"Mainly because of the good results obtained in epidemic hepatitis in children with high doses of vitamin C, we decided to try this treatment in our patient. We used 5 grams of vitamin C (Cevalin� in 1000 cc. of 5 per cent glucose in water given intravenously in four to five hours daily for 24 days. The salutary effects from this treatment were dramatic. The anemia was corrected; the leukocyte count and differential returned to normal; the ascites disappeared; the patient gained weight, and his appetite improved. A feeling of general well-being was evident after the first few days of treatment. The liver function tests which were deranged prior to treatment returned to normal except the bromsulphalein test which dropped down to 8.5 per cent in 45 minutes. This latter abnormality is consistent with his moderate portal cirrhosis. The absence of neutrophilic infiltration in the last liver biopsy done immediately after the termination of treatment with vitamin C was striking "

Sure, vitamin C cannot cure acute viral infections. Because your drug dealer, known a "doctor" told you, right?

tomtom wrote:

Snatch wrote:

Something your daughter should know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPV_vaccine

Well, maybe this youtube link is full of crap...

...but this hpv vaccine is one of the biggest frauds of medicine. No one ever proved that such virus CAUSE cancer. Sure, almost everyone with such a cancer got this virus, but... cancer is MUCH more suspectible to virus infection and virus is very, very common, so basically everyone with cancer would be virus infected anyway.

tomtom old buddy... I don't want to reopen old arguments but you should do a little more research on HPV and cancer. HPV E6 and E7 proteins have been respectively shown to degrade p53 (and anti-cancer protein) and release E2F (a pro-cancer transcription factor). That's about as solid evidence as we can get beyond infecting a randomized study cohort with HPV to see what happens.

Oh and your ONE case study from 1959 doesn't even make the claim that vitamin C cures viral infections. They didn't even identify the patient's hepatitis as viral. For all we know he was just a malnourished alcoholic.

tomtom wrote:

Another scam. Polio can be cured completely, without ANY side effects using high doses of vitamin C. Vaccines are completely unnecessary in this case.

And guess who blocked vitamin C research...? Right, vaccine industry!

some background:

http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/199x/landwehr-r-j_orthomol_med-1991-v6-n2-p99.htm

What did you watch that episode of House where the scam artist doctor tried to fake Polio in a patient, and then fake cure them with vitamin C?

It's not proven, and posting a link about something not proven does't help. One could post plenty of links about why vitamin C does't cure Polio.

citation needed wrote:

tomtom old buddy... I don't want to reopen old arguments but you should do a little more research on HPV and cancer. HPV E6 and E7 proteins have been respectively shown to degrade p53 (and anti-cancer protein) and release E2F (a pro-cancer transcription factor). That's about as solid evidence as we can get beyond infecting a randomized study cohort with HPV to see what happens.

So, we have one lost anti-cancer protein and one released pro-cancer factor...

So, two factors are enough to claim "we have cure for cancer" and sell vaccines for ridiculously high price.

let's see

"Of the more than 500 genes traced, 48 disease-fighting genes had “up-regulated” and 453 disease-promoting genes had “down-regulated” since the lifestyle intervention."

So, change in 2 factors is "proof" when big pharma got money from it, change in more than 500 factors can be ignored.

And only thing that count is our health. sure....

citation needed wrote:

Oh and your ONE case study from 1959 doesn't even make the claim that vitamin C cures viral infections. They didn't even identify the patient's hepatitis as viral. For all we know he was just a malnourished alcoholic.

You can find thousand of such cases, some reported by m.d's, some by patients, unfortunately we do not have full-time placebo controlled study (and we will not have anytime soon, since checking vitamins is prohibited by big pharma). I saw enough of such reports from many, many different sources to be sure. Vitamin C in very high doses CURE acute hepatitis C, and it take few days.

Mrr82 wrote:

What did you watch that episode of House where the scam artist doctor tried to fake Polio in a patient, and then fake cure them with vitamin C?

It's not proven, and posting a link about something not proven does't help. One could post plenty of links about why vitamin C does't cure Polio.

If TV is your source of medical knowledge I can only say "sorry".

It's proven as much as something can be proven without official permission to perform studies - by hundreds of cured children. There will be never official study about vitamin C as cure for polio, cuz to make such study you need permission - and guess who give permissions? Right, the same guy who produce vaccines and expensive anti-viral drugs.

No one claimed "we have a cure for cancer", just a very good reason to avoid getting HPV. Look up p53 and E2F; they are NOT insignificant proteins.

On the other hand, thanks for your link. That is a very cool study.

fighttheman wrote:

green is not blue wrote:

It is amazing how many Americans take Rx drugs on a daily basis.

Yeah, I should stop taking my epilepsy meds. I didn't really almost die from that seizure on the interstate. Big Pharma lies to sell me their drugs.

Did you really think a capitalist society would allow people to become healthy when there is so much money to be made in their sickness? Pharma meds are designed to make you feel comfortable by masking your symptoms while making you addicted so you must spend thousands to support your lifestyle. Yes, you "need" your medicine, but not in the way you think. It's uncanny how there's never a cure for anything anymore. There's just another medicine that you have to take for the rest of your life to keep your symptoms at bay. If you differ in any way from the "mainstream" medical thought, you are considered a "kook" and shunned so that big pharma isn't challenged. Yes, you could get off your epilepsy meds, but it wouldn't be easy, and you couldn't do it by taking your meds because pharmaceuticals will NEVER cure or make the problem any better, it will only treat the symptoms. If you actually got healthy, no more money would be made off of you. Like I said, it's uncanny... isn't it?

tomtom wrote:

I saw enough of such reports from many, many different sources to be sure. Vitamin C in very high doses CURE acute hepatitis C, and it take few days.

Why didn't you link one of these "many, many different sources" before instead of one from 50 years ago that doesn't even claim what you say it does?

I'm still waiting for you to post something that supports your claim that Vitamin C can cure Hepatitis C. So far you have not provided any such citation. Did you even read what you posted?