This is why I dislike Ohio State. They're viewed as the good ol' home-town/home-state school. Good Ohio runners are expected to be interested. But unless you are a super stud you're likely to be overlooked, ignored, and/or treated like you don't exist. Meanwhile, their development record even with studs is often hit-or-miss.
Not pretending to be an insider, but this is based on what I've heard and seen from Ohio people on and off the team.
I believe this is Lloyd Carr posting. Better development than most. Jealousy everywhere. Guys on team and coach humble and hard working. It is great how OSU gets crap finishing 2nd in Big 10 and 21st at NCAA's and other schools get a pass (only Wisconsin was better last fall!)
Adam Green is my man and bucks went 1,2, 5 indoors with Green getting 2nd ahead of tone of HS studs
D1 Coach but scared wrote:
Purdue, Penn St, Illinois couldn't win NAIA or D2!
Not sure that PSU belongs with those other two, Sparky. (I'm not saying they *don't*--I'm just saying I'm not sure.) PSU's men just beat Lock Haven (ranked #15 in DII) pretty solidly in a dual meet, and I think they'd be very competitive in the NAIA.
http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/c-xc/recaps/090310aad.htmlOkay, granted, the *top* teams in NAIA and DII are pretty damned tough, for any DI school outside the top ten or so; but based on the (very) little I know about the three schools you mentioned, Penn State would at least have a shot at a win. Illinois and Purdue, not so much.
Full disclosure: I am not a Penn State student, alum, or fan. Give credit where it's due, though...
hating on my bucks wrote:
Leslie was D2 State Champion in XC and nowehere near as good as See in cross country (See won Midwest Footlocker when leslie finished 37th).
Green was not runner up in cc. Ran 9:12 and it was his only time under 9:23. Last year was runner-up in Big 10 3k and ran 8:48 for steeple.
They do not get the best small town Ohio kids and aside from See and Balyo, rarely get the very best in Ohio because every small MAC school gives them a full.
Dan Huling and Brian Olinger are big studs (not sure Myers trains there anymore, but the certainly was as well).
They won Drake Relays 4 x 800 and 4 x mile last year. See was a stud in all 3 seasons. 800 guy ran 1:48 indoors and ran 3:48 in 1500 (huge PR). Fallon went 3:46 (huge PR). Julian Meyers missed making World Cross Team by 6 spots. Steeple times of 8:48, 8:49, 8:53 (Balyo), 8:55, and 9:00 (true freshman Roys). Should probably mention Hulings 8:13 because it's 5th fastest American ever.
I know a lot of these guys were upset with their years last year, but that is pretty good (especially considering their track team is always in the top 3 conference as well. Not National powerhouses but pretty good still.
XC had them 2nd in conference and 21st in NCAA!
Leslie ran 15:33 at state meet to win by 15 seconds. So he had a bad race at footlocker, big deal. Please don't call a state cc champ in Ohio in a quality time a non-distance runner. He is a stud and proved it, saying otherwise is just uneducated.
Green's bio says he was the runner-up in cc in hs. He ran 9:12, it doesn't matter how many other times he was sub 9:40, he still did it.
Ian Conner, Rob Myers, Brian Olinger, Braden Martinez, Cory Leslie, are some of the bigger ones but I also meant Div I kids from hick sounding schools with no running programs (not See or Baylo), such as Jake Edwards, Levi Fox, Julian Meyer, etc... Sure they don't get every stud from Ohio but they get first pick.
I like OSU and want to see them do well but also feel they shouldn't get a pass, although now looking back - they are doing better with what they have than Michigan is. There seems to be this theme of "we don't get many real distance runners ...... so our success in the cc season is that much more impressive." If you are a cc state champ or a sub 15:50 guy at the ohio state hs state meet, you are a stud and most certainly have the ability to be a good to great college cc runner.
Should be a great season.
rtsj wrote:
D1 Coach but scared wrote:Purdue, Penn St, Illinois couldn't win NAIA or D2!
Not sure that PSU belongs with those other two, Sparky.
Okay, granted, the *top* teams in NAIA and DII are pretty damned tough, for any DI school outside the top ten or so; but based on the (very) little I know about the three schools you mentioned, Penn State would at least have a shot at a win. Illinois and Purdue, not so much.
Full disclosure: I am not a Penn State student, alum, or fan. Give credit where it's due, though...
Penn state is nowhere near beating teams like Adams St. they're on a different planet. This gentleman said that PSU wouldn't have a shot at winning DII or NAIA, and if you're completely honest, you would agree. Nobody said they're terrible teams, but they'd be way off the podium at DII nats. As would most DI schools, I imagine. Throw the top DII team into DI nats, there will be a lot of irate DI fanboys not much more than 30 minutes later.
"If you are a sub 15:50 guy at the ohio state hs state meet" than you're expected to beat all the other recruits throughout the Big 10 and NCAA that are either foreign, Footlocker guys, or break 9 for two miles in high school.
Just like their football fans, totally unreasonable and uneducated about how hard this level of cross country and track is. Ohio fans believe 15:50 runners next step when they attend OSU is NCAA All-American.
8:52y
4:11y
4:14/9:12
3:49 1500m
4:17/9:16
4:13
9:10
15:21 XC (Roys)
Not sure how this counts as a low level of high school talent. Last year, add in Jeff See who as a 4:06y sophomore had better be good. Then throw in guys like Levi Fox (something like 12th at footlocker?) who didn't pan out.
bucks go wrote:
"If you are a sub 15:50 guy at the ohio state hs state meet" than you're expected to beat all the other recruits throughout the Big 10 and NCAA that are either foreign, Footlocker guys, or break 9 for two miles in high school.
Just like their football fans, totally unreasonable and uneducated about how hard this level of cross country and track is. Ohio fans believe 15:50 runners next step when they attend OSU is NCAA All-American.
The poster said sub-15:50 AT THE STATE MEET, if you look at past state meets sub-15:50 will usually get you Top 5 in Ohio. Is that not good enough to run for OSU if they "ONLY" recruit in-state guys?
Also while OSU doesn't get huge national named recruits, the ones they do get do have high caliber PRs. For example Roys as previously mentioned and Meyer who ran 15:01 indoors at NSIC 5k.