12:45 -- #4 AT
12:50 -- #11 AT
12:51.95 -- #20 AT
26:30 -- #4 AT
26:40 -- #13 AT
26:50.20 -- #20 AT
He's absolutely in sub-13 shape, it's a fact. But. Yawn. Wake me up, he gets under #20 AT...
12:45 -- #4 AT
12:50 -- #11 AT
12:51.95 -- #20 AT
26:30 -- #4 AT
26:40 -- #13 AT
26:50.20 -- #20 AT
He's absolutely in sub-13 shape, it's a fact. But. Yawn. Wake me up, he gets under #20 AT...
RUPPerific wrote:
Galen Rupp is easily one of the five most talent American distance runners ever. He appears on the ALL-TIME list in ever category before he graduated to the next level from High School, American Junior, Collegiate:
All-Time List (outdoors unless otherwise stated)
event, rank on all-time, peformance
High School
Mile
9th....4:01.8
3000m
2nd....8:03.67 former High School Record
5000m
HSR...13:37.91 still standing
AMERICAN JUNIOR
3000m
3rd...7:49.16
10000m
2nd...28:15.52
3rd...28:23.75
COLLEGIATE
3000m
6th...7:49.16 (indoor and outdoor combined)
5000m
4th...13:18.12
1sti..13:18.12 Indoor Collegiat Record
10000m
2nd...27:33.48
Galen will medal at World X-Country, World Outdoor Championships, and Olympics before his career is completed.
Isn't his 28:15 still the AJR?
Also, he ran 7:44 indoors in college.
He never held the 10000m AJR he was just shy by over 7 seconds. Galen is still the second American junior ever over 10000m.
VermontMountainLoin wrote:
To say that Rupp won't make any big improvement is pure specualtion just as those who say he is due such an improvment; therefore, you are just ignorant. Predicting improvement or the lack of improvement in an athlete's future regardless of what its based on is the same speculation.
Certainly it's hard to predict future improvement for the individual athlete, but looking at past age/performances tells you most athletes have run their fastest times by their mid-20s. Bekele ran his 5/10k records when he was 22/23 respectively. Geb ran his 5/10k world records starting when he was 21 and ending when he was 25. Daniel Komen set his 3k/5k records when he was 20/21 respectively. Bob Kennedy was 25, nearly 26 when he ran his 12:58 AR.
Rupp is now 24. He doesn't have an unlimited amount of time to improve in the 5k. Assuming he runs sub-13 this year, his progress in the 5k will probably only be incremental -- low 12:50s maybe. With the Olympics coming up in two years and the World Championships next year, Rupp will have to concentrate on the 10k or even the marathon -- whatever his Olympic event will be.
That may have been wrote in stone up until the late 90's and early 2000; however, its a thing of the past in the present day of athletics. There are numerous athletes in their late 20's and early 30's setting personal best across the board and even a few isolated incedents where athletes in their late 30's are still improving. So while it may HAVE BEEN the norm its certainly not unusually to see athletes improving late in their careers; therefore, its absurd to think Galen couldn't improve into his 30's like some veteran elite athletes are today.
RUPPerific wrote:
He never held the 10000m AJR he was just shy by over 7 seconds. Galen is still the second American junior ever over 10000m.
No, Rupp holds the 10000m AJR record, previously held by Rudy Chapa. Lindgren has the 6M record.
V's a D wrote:
Most world-class athletes on the male side get that jump at an earlier age than 24 (Haile, Kenenisa, etc.).
Are you sure that birth dates of these two guys are real? They could as well be 5 years older.
RUPPerifc wrote:
That may have been wrote in stone up until the late 90's and early 2000; however, its a thing of the past in the present day of athletics. There are numerous athletes in their late 20's and early 30's setting personal best across the board and even a few isolated incedents where athletes in their late 30's are still improving. So while it may HAVE BEEN the norm its certainly not unusually to see athletes improving late in their careers; therefore, its absurd to think Galen couldn't improve into his 30's like some veteran elite athletes are today.
Can you name these world class athletes? I don't think human physiology has suddenly changed in the last 10 years.
[quote]RUPPerifc wrote:
That may have been wrote in stone up until the late 90's and early 2000/quote]
Bekele set his records in '04 and '05.
Les wrote:
RUPPerifc wrote:That may have been wrote in stone up until the late 90's and early 2000; however, its a thing of the past in the present day of athletics. There are numerous athletes in their late 20's and early 30's setting personal best across the board and even a few isolated incedents where athletes in their late 30's are still improving. So while it may HAVE BEEN the norm its certainly not unusually to see athletes improving late in their careers; therefore, its absurd to think Galen couldn't improve into his 30's like some veteran elite athletes are today.
Can you name these world class athletes? I don't think human physiology has suddenly changed in the last 10 years.
____________________________________
Women
Constantina Dita
31:49.47........2006.....Age 36
2:21:30.........2005.....Age 35
Irene Mikitenko
2:19:19.........2008.....Age 36
Magdalena Lewy-Boulet
32:20.45........2009.....Age 35
2:26:22.........2010.....Age 36
Men
Mark Kiptoo
27:14.67........2008.....Age 34
47.95 sec improvement
Nathan Lagat
27:43.89........2010.....Age 33
30.16 sec improvement
Geoffrey Mutai
27:27.79 (A)....2010.....Age 28 11 months
2:04:66.........2010.....Age 28 08 months
are just a couple I found in less than 2-3 minutes of searching, next time do you own research as there are several athletes improving in their late 20 to late 30's. Oh yeah the 1500m female Spainard just whacked her personal best by nearly 2 seconds in her 30's!
The reality is that the only thing is proven, because it already happened, is that Rupp will DNF in a 5k in 2010.
DNF = DID NOT FINISH
How do you guarantee this?
Are you giving something up if this doesn't happen or does your word just become useless if he does not do this in 2010?
I come to Letsrun from time to time to read the posts of Renato, Jason, VIPAM, and Wejo among one or two others. Always entertaining when I run across anything from those posters.
VIPAM wrote:I am one of the most popular posters on this site and definitely hold more knowledge about track and field than you and most poster!
err...
bubbles the chimp nows more about athletics than your good retarded self
How can you guarantee it based on what happened in Stockholm? I think you are right that he can run sub 13 minutes. But Stockholm showed that in any given race &%it happens.
VIPAM wrote:
There's a couple threads popping up bashing Galen Rupp and saying he's maxed out at his current personal best from the Troll Troupe.
IF GALEN RUPP stays healthy and get another 5000m setup like Stockholm he will definitely run sub 13 minutes this year. The Stockholm race he definitely was going sub 12:57 at the very slowest.
Stockholm race right around 10 minutes in the race, Rupp...
It was very clear about 10 minutes 02-04 seconds in the race Galen Rupp was attempting to move up thru the main pack. He had a small gap between himself and the main pack and within a few strides he closed that small gap and seem to run extremely close to 2 kenyans runners one who seem to be making a move for the outside and that's what started the collision.
Galen Rupp actually looked just as fresh as anyone in the race and may not have won but it appeared he could have finished THIS RACE easily top 5 or better! If he races smarter (stay out of trouble), have the same type of effort, good pacing sub 13 is money in the back with Galen!
If Rupp stays healthy and gets into 2 more Diamond League/top tier 5000m races that was setup and paced like Stockholm and doesn't break 13- I'LL STOP POSTING FOREVER ON LETSRUN!!!!
Agreed, I'm sure if you dig up last summer you'll see we were saying it then, as well as the 27:00 thing.
VIPAM wrote:
I am one of the most popular posters on this site
You've just become the Stuart Smalley of Let's Run. To be candid, I am not impressed with your posts, but you appear to be an enthusiastic, if naive, fan, and there is something to be said for that...
MAPIV will you die already you social reject!
ventolin^3 wrote:
MAPIV wrote:YOU ARE AN IDIOT. You write as if you are barely literate and your predictions indicate you simply engage in odd leaps and extrapolations which have no seeming foundation in reality. Good luck with all that. Rupp will never run 12:45. Do you realize how fast that is? NO, you don't. THINK before your next post...
much as it pains me to say, although vipam is in the top 2 morons on this site, he may not be completely wrong about 12'45
rupp has a shockingly good 1'49.87i just from last year
a rule of thumb conversion outdoors is 101/102 ->~ 1'48.7
now, it's not impossible he's close to that currently, as it was just last year
trying
http://www.jundo.co.uk/1'48.7 with
27'10 ->3'34.0 , 7'30.3 , 12'57.8
now, it's pretty obvious he couda gone 27'00 if he hadn't done the donkey work in last 1/2 of race - especially if he couda tucked in behind a coupla 26'50 kenyans
27'00 ->3'33.6 , 7'28.7 , 12'54.2
if he has that 800 speed currently, he is theoretically good for close to 12'55
if he does get down to 26'50 with same 800 speed :
26,50 ->3'33.2 , 7'27.1 , 12'50.6
i can see a viable case for 12'50 in not too distant future
12'45 woud need global improvement in 800/10k, but a drop for a guy from 12'50 to 12'45 isn't completely nonsensical
Vent man, good work!
I tend to agree. Rupp said in his interview on flotrack today something about doing different and better speedwork than ever before so I'm sure he's at least in the 3:33-3:35 range based on what he has already run for 800.
I agree that Galen would be under 27:00 in the right race even back in May and I wouldn't be too surprised if he nails the AR in the upcoming 5000 if the race is at that level.
How good is the field for the 3000 this week? This will give us a taste. I predict he runs a solid 3000, likely his best result of the season thus far in terms of time and finishing ability which will give him momentum going into the following 5000. That may be the opportunity that Galen has to stick his nose in it with a lap to go (like Chris has) unless it's a 12:50 race in which case I'm certain the AR will go with both of these guys in the race.
Ventolin wrote:
rupp has a shockingly good 1'49.87i just from last year
a rule of thumb conversion outdoors is 101/102 -> ~ 1'48.7
Ventolin, you need to do your homework before you start writing all this nonsense...Rupp's indoor 800 was on an oversized track at Washington, and your conversion is just not applicable here.
In your world, Rupp has already run under 13 minutes, so of course, in your world, he'll be able to run 12:45. You'll make sure of it, once you've twisted his real time due to your arbitrarily determined calculations...