Christin Wurth Thomas wins in Paris!

Orange juice wrote:

ReadMore wrote:

The commentator put it best when asked he thought about the Russian's performance: "Well there were many Russians running fast times 2-3 years ago and we all know what happened to them."

I hope the commentator was american as that would be an amzing pot-meet-kettle comment. Why aren't Gay, Felix, Oliver and Sanya labeled as drug cheats based on the very same outstanding evidence?

What evidence?

For several years Gay and Felix praticipated in a program where they provided blood samples on a regular basis during the off season, which is when most doping takes place. I am more sure about Gay, Felix and Trotter being clean than any other athletes.

3:57 is not the red flag.

Running 4:00 without a pacemaker, traveling from Moscow to Paris, and then running 3:57 the very next day is your red flag.

There's a 103 percent chance Alminova is doping. Those two races back to back? Get serious.

Mrr82 wrote:

trollism wrote:

Rowbury must be off it this year, CWT is striking while the iron is hot.

4:01.30 isn't exaclty bad. Her season is gearing up and she's not that far off of last year. I wou.dn't say she's off it this year just yet.

Wurth impressed me. Her season got off to a flaky start and then she busts a 2nd place in this race. Pretty cool!

I was actually happy to see Rowbury stick her nose in it and don't think 4:01.3 is a bad effort. She just didn't have the extra gear the last 300 meters, but it is her first big race overseas so with time, she should sharpen up.

Pierce's performance was a disaster. Does anyone know what happened to her?

And why is Burka a DNF after her article in which she basically says she is ready to own all of these ladies?

TrackCoach wrote:

What evidence?

For several years Gay and Felix praticipated in a program where they provided blood samples on a regular basis during the off season, which is when most doping takes place. I am more sure about Gay, Felix and Trotter being clean than any other athletes.

The several-of-their-countrymen-in-the-same-disciplin-have-been-ridiculously-juiced-thus-they-are-also-juiced "evidence"...

Some Coked Up Brit wrote:

ReadMore wrote:

The commentator put it best when asked he thought about the Russian's performance: "Well there were many Russians running fast times 2-3 years ago and we all know what happened to them."

Was that Steve Cram? He doesn't mince his words.

The brits would be best - if there were no other countries.

Translation: They Suck

The Russians only run well in Russia!!!

5000 METERS

14:44.80 Shalane Flanagan (Nike) 04/13/07

14:45.35 Regina Jacobs (Nike) 07/21/00

14:47.62i --Flanagan 02/07/09

14:49.08 --Flanagan 07/03/10

14:51.62 Deena Kastor (Reebok) 08/01/00

14:51.75 --Flanagan 06/22/07

14:52.21 --Kastor 08/07/07

14:52.49 --Jacobs (Mizuno) 07/04/98

14:54.29 Jen Rhines (adidas) 06/06/08

14:55.02 Kara Goucher (Nike) 09/16/07

14:55.18 --Rhines 08/25/06

…………………………

14:56.04 Amy Rudolph (Reebok) 07/08/96

14:56.07 Annette Peters (Nike West) 08/27/93

14:56.72 Amy Begley (Oregon TC) 07/03/10

14:58.48 Lauren Fleshman (Nike) 05/31/08

14:59.20 Marla Runyan (Nike) 05/29/04

15:00.00 PattiSue Plumer (Athletics West) 07/03/89

What's the story with Twell, on the juice again?

Good PR for Hind Dihaba, getting French national record.

Wow look at all the Drug Cheats on that list. Think they were juicing?

it's not like Alminov came out of nowhere. She ran 3:58 last year, and 4:02 the year before.

GWT wrote:

[quote]Orange juice wrote:

I can't speak toward all of the names you posted above, but Felix has been running Fast since HS. But the biggest thing is the percentage of Russian women who have dominated mid distances one year and test positive later. There's a trend there for sure.

In 2008 no Russian mid-distance girl tested positive. They were caught because of internal treason by someone who got jealous. That is the main difference between the Russian woman and Worth-Thomas, Rowbury, Barringer, etc, of 2009.

The world record is 3:50.4 guys, remember? A 3:57 is not necessarily a red-flag even if was run a few days after a 4:00 performance. If she's still benefiting from the residual effect of drugs then it won't last long as she is essentially black-listed now - same goes for all the russian women which explains the drop-off.

Saying that, if Chambers can't compete nor should she.

realism wrote:

If she's still benefiting from the residual effect of drugs then it won't last long as she is essentially black-listed now - same goes for all the russian women which explains the drop-off.

You gotta admit the OTC drop-off is even more dramatic.

Orange juice wrote:

The several-of-their-countrymen-in-the-same-disciplin-have-been-ridiculously-juiced-thus-they-are-also-juiced "evidence"...

What happened the last time the US had two 3:57 types in the 1500? Oh yah, Jacobs and Slaney both got caught.

Yeah

She got married.

referencing

Pierce's performance was a disaster. Does anyone know what happened to her?

Dobriskey and Alminova have similar progressions, both gradually chipping away at their PRs. However Dobriskey hasn't reached 3:57 yet. When she does, should we accuse her of doping?

just sayin!!! wrote:

Dobriskey and Alminova have similar progressions, both gradually chipping away at their PRs. However Dobriskey hasn't reached 3:57 yet. When she does, should we accuse her of doping?

Personally I don't think going from 8:56 to 8:28 in one season can be described as "gradually chipping away at her PR". Which one do you think did this, Alminova or Dobriskey?

Really, if you think Dobriskey is on the juice, please do let us know why.

just sayin!!! wrote:

Dobriskey and Alminova have similar progressions, both gradually chipping away at their PRs. However Dobriskey hasn't reached 3:57 yet. When she does, should we accuse her of doping?

If she fails a drug test she won't be accused she would be joining the guilty; Alminova and that other French cheater