some songs I made inspired by running...

haha, YO wrote:

Flagpole, your band is awful.

Ha!

I've been in three bands here in Central Ohio. Two of them were mediocre, but one of them was the sh!t my brother. The good band had one of the best guitarists in the state of Ohio, and we played some stuff with serious dynamics...songs that most bands couldn't even dream of playing. At the time this band was gigging, we were arguably the best rock/blues band in town. So, call if awful of you like, but the bookings, the venues, the cash I made say otherwise.

Good job buddy - do you listen to a lot of Jurassic 5? That's the vibe I get from it. Sometimes I think your voice gets a little too strained and Eminem-ey, not sure if that's what you're going for. I don't know if that's a comparison you would want to invite. Overall, good job, and I agree with your general thesis. Hip hop wasn't always about being the toughest guy in your neighborhood, it used to be about shooting hoops, chasing girls, having a good time, and going to parties. It wouldn't hurt the genre to have a little variety in subject matter. Keep it up!

haha wrote:

I will be honest with you, this is terrible. The only white rapper who is going to make it is Asher Roth and that is because he is actually witty, funny, and cocky as hee=ll for a normal white dude. What do you sound like? A mix between Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer. This is awful and in 4 minute mile your attempt at humor is... humourous.

I dont even know where to start

First off...Dude sick beats.

Only white rapper to make it...

Open your limewire. Asher Roth is horrible. At the blink 182 tour this summer i cant believe how much he got boo-ed off the stage. Yes he had a one college hit but that was it.

Only good white rapper

Atmosphere? Slug? Amazing

Aseop Rock

Eyedea and abilities

Kristoff Krane

Mac Lethal

Listen to those artist then comment back about how great he is

Also, how many of you runners go to soundset each year??

justinjackson wrote: I will probably rap about a pet turtle though.

sounds like mc paul barman. good stuff

road rashed wrote:

sounds like mc paul barman. good stuff

SOMEBODY IS PLOTTING YOUR MURDER AS WE SPEAK

Flagpole wrote:

So, call if awful of you like, but the bookings, the venues, the cash I made say otherwise.

Call Nickelback awful if you like, but the bookings, the venues, the cash they make says otherwise.

Runaway Jim wrote:

Call Nickelback awful if you like, but the bookings, the venues, the cash they make says otherwise.

Well, that's a good point, because they do suck. I think some sort of contract with the devil was made there.

Local bands though have to actually be good if they are to play in the best local and regional venues.

Clark Griswold wrote:

Wow, man. Not even close. Even though someone else fashioned the guitar, YOU still have to PLAY it, which requires some musical ability.

Giving someone a bunch of instruments is like handing them a blank canvas - they can go in any direction that the instrument allows. Sampling is a lot more limiting. Sure you can chop the sample up, change the pitch, EQ it one way or another, but that stuff is easy compared to actually MAKING the original music. How good can you feel about your final product knowing that it was solely inspired by and consists of someone else's hard work/talent? Sure you can be inspired by music, but it should cause you to go make your OWN stuff (i.e. channel that inspiration into playing an instrument, writing a song, whatever).

I agree more with the other part of your post than this. Just like there's good instrumentation and bad, there's good sampling and bad sampling. A guitar is nothing more than a palette of sounds made by somebody else, but you have great freedom in how you combine those sounds together and use them to make your songs. Sampling is the same, it just doesn't happen in real time. Limiting yes, but that just makes it harder and more impressive when done right. I've done both and it's generally a lot quicker and easier to write songs for four or six instruments than to make a good beat with dozens of chosen, arranged, edited, adjust samples. Yeah Kanye's "rap over someone's song" sampling is easy to do but doing what DJ Shadow does, or Girl Talk does, is an art.

luv2runxc wrote:

Just like there's good instrumentation and bad, there's good sampling and bad sampling. A guitar is nothing more than a palette of sounds made by somebody else, but you have great freedom in how you combine those sounds together and use them to make your songs. Sampling is the same, it just doesn't happen in real time. Limiting yes, but that just makes it harder and more impressive when done right. I've done both and it's generally a lot quicker and easier to write songs for four or six instruments than to make a good beat with dozens of chosen, arranged, edited, adjust samples. Yeah Kanye's "rap over someone's song" sampling is easy to do but doing what DJ Shadow does, or Girl Talk does, is an art.

Wow this is so wrong. A guitar is not a palette of sounds. It is an INSTRUMENT that a skilled player can make sounds with. Sampling sounds is not in any way the same as playing a musical instrument. Yes it might take a lot of time to sample stuff, but so what. It takes a long time to build a building too...doesn't make building a building the same as playing a guitar. A person who samples and does not play a musical instrument is an engineer, not a musician. Way more props go to the musician, because he can both create his own damn sounds (music) and sample if he wants.

Is is school back in session yet? Hey gasface, your mom is going to revoke your internet privileges if she sees you YELLING ONLINE!

road rashed wrote:

Is is school back in session yet? Hey gasface, your mom is going to revoke your internet privileges if she sees you YELLING ONLINE!

REVOKE DEEZ NUTS BITCH

gasface wrote:

TRY THIS ANALOGY

PLAYING THE GUITAR IS TO SAMPLING AS PAINTING IS TO PHOTOGRAPHY

BOTH ARE ART

THE FORMER HOWEVER, PARTICULARLY ONES THAT SUCK AT BEING AN ARTIST, ARE CONSTANTLY SHOWING THEIR INSECURITIES OF SAID SUCKING BY TRYING TO DISCREDIT THE LATTER

I actually really like this analogy, good job.

luv2runxc wrote:

I agree more with the other part of your post than this. Just like there's good instrumentation and bad, there's good sampling and bad sampling. A guitar is nothing more than a palette of sounds made by somebody else, but you have great freedom in how you combine those sounds together and use them to make your songs. Sampling is the same, it just doesn't happen in real time. Limiting yes, but that just makes it harder and more impressive when done right. I've done both and it's generally a lot quicker and easier to write songs for four or six instruments than to make a good beat with dozens of chosen, arranged, edited, adjust samples. Yeah Kanye's "rap over someone's song" sampling is easy to do but doing what DJ Shadow does, or Girl Talk does, is an art.

You still have to know how to make the guitar make the sounds.....

I recognized (in my second paragraph) that there is both good and bad sampling (I gave props to DJ Shadow, etc.). DJ Shadow is very meticulous and he uses samples short/obscure enough that no one knows where he gets them - that's what separates him from other producers that just swipe recognizable parts of a song - but he's still sampling. Sure it's an art, but I'll have more respect for the greatest drummer/pianist/guitarist than the greatest sampler (it takes a little more ability to play an instrument than to learn how to work an MPC 2500).

Girl Talk is a glorified laptop DJ. Some of his mixes are catchy, but c'mon.

SOMEONE REPORTED MY RESPONSE TO YOUR LAST ATTEMPT AT FLOSSING YOUR RESPEK FOR TEH KULCHA, NAMEDROPPING GAWDZ OF PRODUCING THAT EVERY PASTEY FRATBOY LISTS WHEN THEY WANNA BE DOWN

THE MERE FACT YOU WROTE MPC 2500 SOLIDIFIES YOUR DISCONNECTEDNESS WITH WHAT YOUR TRYING SO DESPERATELY TO CONCEAL. TALMBOUT DJ SHADOWS USE OF OBSCURE SAMPLES...ROFL

DJ SHADOW LAUGHS AT YOU TILL HIS INSIDES BLEED

YO FOR THE RECORD

MOST LEGITIMATE PRODUCERS GIVE A FUK ABOUT PLAYIN A GUITAR AND WOULD AGREE THAT THEY HAVE NO TRADITIONAL MUSICAL KNOWLEDGE....THEY ARE CALLED PRODUCERS FOR A REASON. THEY ALSO DONT CARE ABOUT THE RESPECT OF SOMEONE WHO RUBS HIS BALLSACK AGAINST OTHER MENS FACES(I.E. CLARKGRISWOLD)

CO-SIGN ON GIRLTALK THO BTW

haha, YO wrote:

gasface wrote:

TRY THIS ANALOGY

PLAYING THE GUITAR IS TO SAMPLING AS PAINTING IS TO PHOTOGRAPHY

BOTH ARE ART

THE FORMER HOWEVER, PARTICULARLY ONES THAT SUCK AT BEING AN ARTIST, ARE CONSTANTLY SHOWING THEIR INSECURITIES OF SAID SUCKING BY TRYING TO DISCREDIT THE LATTER

I actually really like this analogy, good job.

No...not a good analogy, and not a good rant on insecurities of bad guitarists trying to discredit samplers either.

Playing the guitar is to sampling as killing the goose is to eating the goose.

Sampling is taking the skills and work of another and trying to make it your own just as the eater of the goose is benefiting from the one who killed it.

If sampling is an art, then your definition of art is pretty broad. I guess maybe someone who mows the yard really well is an artist? If you say so, then maybe I can accept your definition of a sampling artist, but otherwise, no.

A person who plays the guitar is a musician. If he plays it well, he's a good musician. If he's exceptional, he's an artist. A person who samples other people's music is a putz. No insecurities there. One is a musician. The other is a putz.

I disagree. Just as a camera is capturing things that already exist and displaying them in a new way, sampling is taking musical ideas that already exist and arranging them in a new original way. That takes some talent and those who do it well are hard to come by. Pull your head out of your ass.

Really in music no one is that original, I'm sure when you are playing your keyboard you are going through chord progressions that people have done before. Of course you are putting your own unique spin on these but that doesn't take away the fact that it has been done in a similar way before. Doesn't make you bad, it's just the way music is. When you sample you still have to have some vision on what to do with the sounds available and the final product is definitly yours. I'm not sure why you are so against it.

Ask somebody who samples why they sampled a part of song - BECAUSE THEY WERE FEELING IT.

So all I have to do is listen to some good music, feel it, then use a bunch of it to make my own. Why can't you make something on your own and FEEL THAT?

I agree - there isn't much originality in music these days BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO TRY. You can be somewhat original without having to be some noise-rock experimental glitch act.

Jesus!

I gave it an honest listening effort and made it through maybe 90 seconds of four-minute mile and running circles and was bored by both. Nothing reached out and hooked me. The songs sounded like one song - the lyrics were crammed together cliches and didn't have any of the edginess or power in good rap. I do appreciate the effort to do this with the subject matter of running but it won't be on my 'must listen to' list. Keep working on it!!!