good mile for a freshman boy

dshaw wrote:

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5:08, 11:00, 18:45

4:38, 10:35, 17:02

4:20, 10:02, 16:30

4:17, 9:12, 15:20.

Wow, the 3200 and 5k times really got better senior year. What did you do differently?

CoachB wrote:

Wow, the 3200 and 5k times really got better senior year. What did you do differently?

I would guess he either ran more volume or learned to pace better. The 5k times his soph and jr year were not in line with his mile times.

somewhere between 4:50 and 5:00 would be a good goal for the spring. It would show good improvement from your fall XC times (which assuming you are a new runner would be expected). That is more than decently competitive at a local level for a freshman.

sub 5 seems awfully fast for a 9th grader - I grew up in a city with 400,000 people in California, and no 9th graders broke 5 - in 10th grade maybe 5 kids did, no one faster than 4:50. Maybe that was a dud year, but saying you have to run 4:50 as a 9th grader to be decent is overshooting.

finally wrote:

sub 5 seems awfully fast for a 9th grader - I grew up in a city with 400,000 people in California, and no 9th graders broke 5 - in 10th grade maybe 5 kids did, no one faster than 4:50. Maybe that was a dud year, but saying you have to run 4:50 as a 9th grader to be decent is overshooting.

I based what I needed to do on what our school record holder had done each year. He ran 4:17y, 9:16y as a senior. HE was much better at the 2M as his next best Mile was 4:22. But I wanted 4:15/9:15 metric and this was what I got ...

9th - 4:50 / 10:20

10th- 4:38 / 9:50

11th- 4:25 / 9:29

I ran only 19:01 (5k ) as a frosh, but something clicked just after XC and I trained every day between XC and track, sometimes only 2 mi easy, but 40-50 mpw all Winter long. I won every race I ran (in track) as a 9th grader, because we ran against only freshmen, although I only ran the 1600 twice (5:00 and 4:50).

I won very few races as a soph or junior until late in my junior year, in XC, indoor or outdoor as all Invites and Indoor meets always had studs in them, and our team had a 1:56/4:20/9:37 senior that was in nearly every dual meet XC and track race I was in.

But yeah, I would agree with what was put forward reasonably before:

9th - sub-5:00

10th - sub-4:40

11th - sub-4:30

Seriously kid just ignore these "tough guy" LR posters hiding behind their 18 min 5k mediocrity after 10 years of running.

I think you should be in the 5:10 to 5:25 range and that's pretty good for your 5k time. I ran 5:15 my 1st year out.

If you can break 5 as a freshman then you are generally considered to be a pretty good talent.

I know guys who barely broke 6 minutes as frosh in high school (1st time out for running) and are now running 26 minute 8k's.

UlyssisasExt wrote:

Seriously kid just ignore these "tough guy" LR posters hiding behind their 18 min 5k mediocrity after 10 years of running.

I think you should be in the 5:10 to 5:25 range and that's pretty good for your 5k time. I ran 5:15 my 1st year out.

If you can break 5 as a freshman then you are generally considered to be a pretty good talent.

I know guys who barely broke 6 minutes as frosh in high school (1st time out for running) and are now running 26 minute 8k's.

Amen to that - 5:10 would be a fine 9th grade time

26 minute 8 ks huh! Jeepers can I get their autographs after they win NCAAs

ripvanracer wrote:

CoachB wrote:

Wow, the 3200 and 5k times really got better senior year. What did you do differently?

I would guess he either ran more volume or learned to pace better. The 5k times his soph and jr year were not in line with his mile times.

coach change ach

The 8 grade record for Wilson JR high in the 1600m is 4.48 set in 2006. The school opened only 8 years ago.Ryan silva (Doolen JR high)ran 4.42 as 7 grader and 4.31 as a 8 grader.Freshmans should run sub 4.40 if you have plans to run in college.

I didn't break 5 until junior year, ran well under 420 senior year, 425 junior year, ran 401 in college so far

haha hey batch. You went from... 9:45 to 9:19 in a year and a half under Karl?Yeah Mister Karl Keska does deserve most of the credit for the improvement. I also didn't try too hard in the 2 mile until senior year and I improved most track seasons more than XC. That doesn't mean high school requires a phenomenal coach to run well tho

mjohn wrote:

ripvanracer wrote:

I would guess he either ran more volume or learned to pace better. The 5k times his soph and jr year were not in line with his mile times.

coach change ach

Yes they have... the record is 3:42 in the 1600m^

Ran 4:48 as a freshman, ran 4:42 as a senior. Freshman times don't matter.

Austin Tamagno is in my league and he ran 4:06 making the freshman record last year. This year he could break four minutes as a sophomore. I think that anything under five for a freshman is good.

He ran 4:09 as a frosh I believe. Still, that kid is plenty fast, and if anyone could go sub 4 in the next few years, its him.

Freshman times really mean little beyond an assessment of you in an untrained state. Many people hit puberty later than others do, others are higher responders to training. Aim to keep training, stay consistent, and keep improving incrementally.

Example:

Friend/Training partner: 4:31 Freshman 1600m, 14:56 lifetime 5k PB.

Myself: 4:39 (and it was like .99, so barely that) Freshman 1600m. 13:54 lifetime 5k PB.

I also know I guy that didn't crack 20 min in the 5k his freshman year, and was a 15:20 5k senior. I would say to just aim to be under 4:50 and you're on your way to MAYBE being good or MAYBE being dusty.

brendan wrote:

whats ur problem I just need advice and Im never gonna be state champ

Don't say that. I can appreciate your sense of realism and modesty, but don't sell yourself short. If you don't think you can be state champ, then you won't be. No need to get all cocky and entitled, but you have to at least believe it's possible.

An 18:50 5k on limited training as a freshman isn't gonna turn any heads, but it is indicative of a little bit of talent. Combine a little bit of talent with a lot of hard work, smart training, and belief in oneself, and you never know what you could be capable of.

Don't get too caught up in numbers right now. You're young. As others have already stated, what you run in the mile this year may not mean much. We all develop a little differently. Put in the work, learn all you can, and take care of your body. But don't obsess about numbers. Just enjoy running and racing. You're a freshman.

I began running track as a sophomore in high school. That Spring I scored about 1 or 2 points the whole year, and was one of the slower guys on the team. A total "also ran". 2 years later I was MVP, broke multiple school records, wAS conference and regional champ, and 5A State finalist in two events. I say this to reiterate to you that A LOT can change for you over the next 2-3 years. The most important things for you to focus on: work ethic, staying healthy, learning, having fun.

did you just get mileage over the summer or did something specific. i would like to know and thank you ! I'm trying to have a good season also..

ps im a freshman with a 4.55 mile