Probably because mr. boogity hasn't stated what Josh Cox has run or could run and Josh Cox hasn't stated what mr. boogity has or could run. Josh Cox has made claims as to what he has and could run, and both have proven false. Do you really need to have run faster than a fabulist to recognize and point out how hollow his claims are?
mr brianb82...the delusion is strong with you.
mr. boogity wrote:
mr brianb82...the delusion is strong with you.
And... BOOM goes the dynamite!
pwned.
This is the same crowd that, until seven weeks ago, would have said that Meb was washed up and should have quit or dropped Larsen a while ago?
What Mr. Cox did I do all the time. Think and say I'm going to run this time, then I don't. Everyone please make fun of me then I can quit.
1:06:44 lines up with his 2:47 50k American Record and also equates to a 2:19 marathon.
I remember the awesome time that Josh went out in the lead at Boston. It did not work out at the time but I just loved the attitude. He was my new hero. Then I used to read his training log and saw some amazing workouts like the famous 4 * 3200 that he so eloquently wrote about. I thought tafter readingabout that workout that big things would happen. I actually thought he could win Chicago or another major race. I even thought he could set a road AR. In a way it saddens me that he has not had his moments of glory the last 6 years. I keep hoping he will pop the big one but now it does not seem as likely.
Signed,
A fan
Research Guy wrote:
http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070302/news_1s2fitness.htmlCox's former coach, Kevin McCarey, thinks Cox has mismanaged his career and that his best days are behind him.
“Some people learn from their lessons,” said McCarey, himself a former 2:13 marathoner. “He never learned from his lessons. His running ended a long time ago.”
From a training perspective, McCarey offers three main criticisms of Cox: that he logged far too many miles; that he ran too
much by himself; and that he let himself be coached by Italy's Dr. Gabriele Rosa, who often went months without seeing Cox train.
“Yeah, I did too many miles,” admitted Cox, who once racked up consecutive weeks of 188, 186, 175 and 172 miles, at altitude. “That was five years ago. I've learned.”
To a degree, it pains McCarey to be so critical of Cox.
“As a human being, he's one of the most quality people I've ever met on this planet,” McCarey said. “Just a very loving human being.”
Yet McCarey's criticism doesn't stop with Cox's training.
“He got into other things. You can't get into other things if you're a marathoner, if you want to be one of the best,” McCarey said. “You have to devote yourself to it, and he didn't.”
At the Boston Marathon expo in 2004, 10 weeks after finishing seventh at his second Olympic Trials, Cox passed on the race but participated in an unusual publicity event, setting the world record for the fastest marathon on a treadmill (2:31:04).
That article says more about McCary being bitter than Josh being finished as a runner.
darnell wrote:
I remember the awesome time that Josh went out in the lead at Boston. It did not work out at the time but I just loved the attitude.
You love the attitude of undertaking things that don't work? Hell, you'd jizz in your shorts over the way that Teddy Mitchell and Sylvia Mosqueda ran marathons.
*stipe wrote:
1:06:44 lines up with his 2:47 50k American Record and also equates to a 2:19 marathon.
I'd like to see where you found that equation. Although there probably are some runners who can run 2:19 on a record-quality course despite being unable run faster than 1:06:44 in a half marathon, they're a pretty small group.
Josh's 1:05:10 in Philadelphia a couple of months ago certainly indicates that he's still capable of running solidly under 2:19 on a record-quality course (which, by the way, CIM is not), but his prerace talk about a 62-63 in San Antonio sounded totally unrealistic to me. I have yet to see a legitimate half-marathon time faster than 1:05:10 for him, although it wouldn't shock me if he ran a faster time somewhere.
In fact, considering all of the information out there about him and his various achievements, I haven't found much information about basic stuff like his PRs for various distances and the races in which he ran them. Aside from the mysterious 47:32 10-miler and the false 63 half, what about PRs at 10k or 10,000m? I found this bizarre press release from April 2004:
http://www.recordholders.org/en/list/treadmill-cox.htmlPutting aside the silly notion that 2:31:04 was a "world record" for a treadmill marathon, or Josh's patently false claim that he "couldn’t have broken the record without drinking the POWERBAR Beverage System," there is the curious description of Josh as an "Olympic hopeful" (this was a couple of months after the Olympic trials in the marathon) and the statement that "Josh will participate in the US Olympic Team Track & Field Trials in the 10,000-meter event in July." I didn't see his name anywhere in the list of qualifiers for the 10,000-meter Olympic trials in 2004. In fact, the only 10,000-meter time I've seen for him is his college PR of 29:57. Has he ever even come close to qualifying for the Olympic trials at 10,000 meters?
I just entered his 50k time into this calculator.
http://www.run-down.com/statistics/calc.php
If you enter the 1:06:44 it projects to 2:20-2:21.
For some reason I bet Ms Boogity has a life size poster of Josh Cox in his room.
bitter coach wrote:
That article says more about McCary being bitter than Josh being finished as a runner.
I would be bitter too if I saw a former charge with the talent he had waste it like that.
brianb82 wrote:
For some reason I bet Ms Boogity has a life size poster of Josh Cox in his room.
Hahaha!
You were the one defending Cox, so what do you do? Blow him off?
brianb82 wrote:
For some reason I bet Ms Boogity has a life size poster of Josh Cox in his room.
i do...i just don't know what to do with it. he was handing them out in san antonio. it's a great picture of him running on a treadmill.
Nothing wrong with promoting fitness and getting paid for it.
brianb82 wrote:
Nothing wrong with promoting fitness and getting paid for it.
I haven't read any comments that have argued otherwise.
I think that Josh sincerely believes that he is capable of some of the performances that he publicly states he is aiming for. Many of us hold on to aspirations that others justifiably consider to be unrealistic. When I returned to running in my 40s, I sincerely believed that I would be back in sub-2:20 marathon shape within three months or so; it took me over a year to realize that age really does matter.
The gimmicky stuff, like a 2:31 treadmill "world record" that many of us could have done in our sleep, is annoying to me, but that's the nature of self-promotion.
I still want to see Josh's explanations for things like his claimed 47:32 10-mile PR and Powerbar's press release in April 2004 stating that Josh was, in fact, going to be running in the trials for the U.S. Olympic track and field team at 10,000 meters.
From his twitter:
Now I'm searching for the iPhone app that erases the memory of a bad race. "Bad race? There's an app for that!"
I dunno - it just seems like he thinks the world owes him something. There's this sense of entitlement to being treated and respected like a world class athlete when he's nowhere close. Even the twitter stuff - not that big of a deal, but would any of us follow some random NBA bench sitter that sees ~2min of playing time per season? No - we follow Shaq cause he's a superstar.
Josh's self promotion is so shameless - it's 100% geared towards the weekend warriors that don't know the difference between what it means to be a 1:06:xx guy and a 59:xx guy except they're both a crap load of a lot faster then their 1:4x:xx half
Also, from his facebook:
Good 20. Coach was encouraging, "U went from no humidity to 93% & logged 140 the week B4 w/ a 26 miler 7 days out. You'll be fine at Cal."