d3 Peter Kosgei -- deserves his own thread

umm?? wrote:

I ran 4:56 in 8th grade in a basketball time-trial alone without ever running before, it's not that good for someone who hasn't trained.

bullshit it isn't. if you really did do that without any training at all, on a track, then you should be the kind of guy that could run 4:10 or faster with serious training.

You talk about 4:10 like it's a big deal.

Peter Kosgei didn't start training until January of his freshmen year, and quickly went from a 4:25 mile to a sub 9 steeple. I don't even know of many DI steeplers that can run 1:48 and ~8:40, that shows some serious range. Kosgei will have what, 13 national titles by the time he graduates? I would argue that he's far better than Nick Symmonds was, with only his personal drive and talent carrying him along thus far. I think he could become really, really good, and he has expressed a desire to run professionally once he graduates.

I for one just hope that we get to see a sub 4 effort by Kosgei once he hits the track.

you'll see a sub 4:00 mile from Kosgei indoor this year.

I agree with your assessment of Kosgei's talents. On another thread the comparison with Nick discussed. Kosgei's range certainly gives him the advantage as arguably the best D3 runner. He has accomplished this with fairly modest training while undertaking a difficult academic load. If he stays motivated, all his track record will be in jeopardy.

you wont see sub 4 from him unless his coach actually enters him in a good race

they've never made much of an effort to give him racing opportunities beyond the scope of what are offered to his 4:15 1500m runner teammates. Without competition, I don't think you'll see it.

Dear Hamilton Coach,

Wake up and give your star a chance at big time track competition...Please?

talent vampire wrote:

You talk about 4:10 like it's a big deal.

when I said one who runs 4:56 without any training at all can run 4:10 (or FASTER) with serious training, I meant within a year or two. meaning if someone does that in 8th grade, they should be running 4:10 by the time they are a sophomore in high school. I'd say that's a pretty big deal. although I admit it's more plausible if someone starts at the collegiate record, when they are more physically mature. (and sure enough, PK was running 4:10 or faster within a year or two of training.)

you don't see it much because people don't run 4:56 with no training at all much.

When will Flotrack get on board and interview kosgei? Looks like they interviewed everyone else in the top 10 @ Paul Short but Kosgei. I'd love to see a workout wednesday of kosgei running laps around his teammates.

looks like 23:42 at Paul short puts kosgei at #5 all-time on that course (since they changed courses in '99)

https://www.lehighsports.com/assets/sports/xcountry/Course%20Records.pdf

Have any of the people hating on Kosgei's coach (do you even know his name) ever talked to Peter or his coach. Have you ever sat in on any of their training/racing discussions or ever seen his training program or workouts?

It's shameful the way people are willing to take anonymous cheap-shots at a coach without knowing anything about them, their training plan or coaching style.

It's been acknowledged, in this thread, that Kosgei needs to be in the conversation as one of the best DIII athletes ever. It's amazing that rather than giving the coach credit for developing a person with no running background into a champion, the only comments about his coach are negative.

Maybe brining a runner with a training age of three along slowly is the best thing for that runners long-term development.

TimbukTitsMcgee wrote:

you wont see sub 4 from him unless his coach actually enters him in a good race

they've never made much of an effort to give him racing opportunities beyond the scope of what are offered to his 4:15 1500m runner teammates. Without competition, I don't think you'll see it.

Dear Hamilton Coach,

Wake up and give your star a chance at big time track competition...Please?

um, you mean like paul short, or the steeple at penn relays?

i do it for the lolz wrote:

um, you mean like paul short, or the steeple at penn relays?

that's twice a year.

course record wrote:

looks like 23:42 at Paul short puts kosgei at #5 all-time on that course (since they changed courses in '99)

https://www.lehighsports.com/assets/sports/xcountry/Course%20Records.pdf

Chelanga ran 23:05 last year, so that puts Kosgei at #6. 23:42 beats Ledwith's time of 23:43 from last year though, so #6 seems right.

Someone mentioned giving Peter's coach credit...well his coaches name is Brett Hull - as for facilities, there are few Division 3 schools who have facilities as good as Hamilton.

They also have great hills to train on, a golf course to run on and a decent indoor track and outdoor track. So he doesn't lack in facilities. But as for his coach - he has done a nice job with Peter - but before him Hamilton was a medicore program in a good Div. 3 region and after him they will continue - one athlete does not make a coaches resume!

I have nothing against Hamilton or Coach Hull - if he does it again with another kid then he's doing the right things, if not then well...

But one super talented runner does not make a coach!

This is a bunch of BS. All this crap that only Div. 1 coaches can coach. They recruit the best kids so they have the best results, doesn't mean they are great coaches, just recruiters.

Hell, if I was a runner with talent and I had to choose between Lannana and Art Kranick of Saratoga Springs HS to develop me, I would go to Kranick.

heard from another hamilton xc runner that kosgei spent this summer training at altitude in kapsabet

It is impressive that his coach is an NHL great. To transition from hockey to cross country is impressive.

What I want to know is why kosgei chose to not race the mile at ECAC championships last year.

He was on the heat sheet and he just was a no show. His coached decided to let him sit on a 4:13 mile? (Somewhere around that time) He was the very last time taken for nationals and ended up winning obviously, but that was an incredibly stupid move to ride out such a slow time.

DoNotUnderstand wrote:

What I want to know is why kosgei chose to not race the mile at ECAC championships last year.

He was on the heat sheet and he just was a no show. His coached decided to let him sit on a 4:13 mile? (Somewhere around that time) He was the very last time taken for nationals and ended up winning obviously, but that was an incredibly stupid move to ride out such a slow time.

What's so stupid about what works? Maybe he doesn't care about indoor that much...

Kosgei always looks so cold at nationals. He had some great baby blue mittens last year.