Jordan Hasay: What will be her 1500m time at adidas classic this satturday?

Did this race expose her at 1500m? She had nothing when it came time to kick in a tactical race. I'm not sure she can win at the elite level unless she goes a longer distance and I don't think she's ready for the best there either.

Yea, cause it's not like she's in high school or something and every other person was a pro...

Yeah...got agree. What are people thinking? A 17 y/o girl within 2 seconds of her American Junior Record before USAs and on a windy and hot day. Just terrible. As if it needs to be stated again...people on here are hypercritical and not really all that aware of things. But yeah...the equivalent of a sub 4:40 mile for a HS girl...just teriible. Give me a break.

She's actually faster than most of the guys who post here.

MikeM wrote:

Yeah...got agree. What are people thinking? A 17 y/o girl within 2 seconds of her American Junior Record before USAs and on a windy and hot day. Just terrible. As if it needs to be stated again...people on here are hypercritical and not really all that aware of things. But yeah...the equivalent of a sub 4:40 mile for a HS girl...just teriible. Give me a break.

Yes it was a very good time for a HS girl. But she is being hyped as if she is ready to turn pro. HS will be over soon. Will she be able to compete for the win and not just run good for a HS girl?

Had I saw her close well, I'd be singing a different tune. But in this tactical race she had absolutely nothing to respond with when it came time to race with the "pros."

AYHSMB

Listen to her interview on FloTrack. Today was another learning experience for her. I love Jordan's attitude. It seems like she is running for fun and not carrying the weight of the world on her shoulders...or listening to douchebag haters the likes of which post on here.

i dunno wrote:

[quote]MikeM wrote:

Yes it was a very good time for a HS girl. But she is being hyped as if she is ready to turn pro. HS will be over soon. Will she be able to compete for the win and not just run good for a HS girl?

Had I saw her close well, I'd be singing a different tune. But in this tactical race she had absolutely nothing to respond with when it came time to race with the "pros."

Yes, high school will be over soon, but then COLLEGE is next. Most of the girls, if not all of them, that she was racing against are well past college. Jordan still has plenty of time.

It is MAY. Last year Hasay ran 4:17 in May and look how the season ended... a HSR and a #2 all time. Now she's coming off sickness and still running 4:16. The real stuff will happen this summer. She already has the A standard for the USA championships.

What is curious is that she has run a lot of 1500s this year... hasn't run a fast 3200 yet (since she skipped Arcadia).

i dunno - you really are quite the dork. A high school girl who was too sick to run one month ago runs 4:16, and you feel compelled to post this drivel about "Had I saw her close well" (note, time to retake Freshman English) and "she had absolutely nothing to respond ..."

You don't know much about this sport, do you? Not much at all. FYI, your opinion is absolute horse-shi#. And while you're free to post it, understand that anyone who has even a basic understanding of training, the effect of illness on training, racing, and age-specific performance, knows that it's absolute horse-shi#.

Now please answer me this: Why would someone who knows as little as you do post this opinion? I mean, really, what drives you? Are you just too lazy to learn anything about this sport before pretending to understand it? Or are you just a mean, petty, little dork? Please enlighten us.

Not sure why you are being so defensive about her SCP?

Who keeps putting her in these meets? Why did she have to run the Olympics trials last year? It seems to be that some people are in a hurry to see her as a star rather young, what is the hurry? It also seems that there are two sides to this story - if she is that great for HS, why isn't she just running mostly these HS meets to get records (like Fernandez last year) and not trying to "jump the shark" (I know an out-of-date expression). This alone opens her up to criticism (not her fault) as trying to be a little more advanced than necessary. Since she is going to College in the fall, won't she get experience in tactics at that level before having to deal with faster "Pro's". Isn't this the criticim of Webb that he ran fast races against Pro's (3.53 mile), but seemingly doesn't know how to race as well as he might (Worlds, etc.)in Championship races.

I don't understand why she needs to run US Senior trials when she has yet to win her age group Internationally. I think that she would have medalled at Worlds last summer if she hadn't run the Olympic trials - it's not as if there are a lot of American women (Flanagan aside, and that's at 10000m) medalling on the track these days in the middle-distance events. It seems, again, that the US idea that domestic competition is more important than International meets is why (Lagat as an import excepted) there are NO medalists at the world level anymore from the US in middle-distance, when in fact given the NCAA feeder program, there should be numerous medals - it should be the Africans chasing the Americans, not the other way around.

Well I mean, if she ran in HS meets she would be mostly solo... it's nice to have some competition even if you are at the back of the pack... last year was a different story though with Christine Babcock and Laurynne Chetelat REALLY stepping it up.

The only thing I find fault in SCP's post is his assumption that i dunno has already taken Freshman English.

camarillo brillo wrote:

Not sure why you are being so defensive about her SCP?

Who keeps putting her in these meets? Why did she have to run the Olympics trials last year? It seems to be that some people are in a hurry to see her as a star rather young, what is the hurry? It also seems that there are two sides to this story - if she is that great for HS, why isn't she just running mostly these HS meets to get records (like Fernandez last year) and not trying to "jump the shark" (I know an out-of-date expression).

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Not quite sure what you'd want her to do now.

High school meets are a waste of time-- why bother?

International age group competition requires a lot of things that are incompatible with a normal life in high school.

Jordan goes to classes during week, drives down to LA, runs against meaningful competition in Carson City. Same thing with the trip up to Stanford. Yes-- she doesn't blow people out of the water but she doesn't do so poorly that she has no right running with the field.

What's the harm? It is not like a successful runner has to win every single race that they ever run or risk breaking down mentally. I don't think that she is that weak mentally.

Hell-- losing occasionally will help keep her driven and working hard.

As for HS records-- Acosta had a couple of those, didn't he? Do you think it helped or hurt him to move up to the next level?

So you are an Olympic Trials finalist and you are in a race of mainly "b" 1500 runners in the U.S. and the pace goes out slow. So why do you immediately take your spot in last place. No confidence or race savvy in that youngster yet.

Erin Donahue, Lindsey Gallo, Amy Mortimer, Amy Yoder Begley etc. (not to mention all the non American runners like Sinclair, Muncan, Tadesse) are not what you would call "B 1500 runners" in the U.S... for one thing, they're all faster than Hasay.

Hasay certainly had the slowest PR (or at least 2nd or 3rd slowest) in that race. Going out at the rear of the pack, especially a fairly tight pack, was the smartest thing she could do.