Oregon 4 x mile

reheheaaly wrote:

pointing out another idiot wrote:

Wheating 3:59

Centro 4:03

Acosta 4:01

Rupp 3:58

Maybe next year.

rupp opened indoors on a realay with 3:59, you think he's 1 second better in late April? Wheating cruised 3:59 on 200 m. banked, you think he's the same outdoors on a 400 meter track? but yeah, I can see Centro running 6 seconds slower than indoors and slower than high school.

It's not like they're all going to PR at the same race (odds are it wouldn't happen, but I will acknowledge it is possible). Vin is a great coach, but it's rare that a relay team runs well ALL at the same time. Remember Michigan's 4Xmile (willis, brannen, woods, ruff?). A 3:55, 3:57, 3:59, and whatever their fourth leg was couldn't break the record... I'd say they were a little bit better.

Anyways, Rupp won't be as focused on speed like he was for indoor. Thus, he will be one second faster still, which is great, considering.

Wheating didn't double very well at indoor nationals (by well, I mean he had a bit of trouble escaping 3rd and 4th in the open 800). I'm not sure what the order of events are, but I believe that Wheating will run right around 3:59, which isn't a terrible time, especially for what potentially could be his second race of the day.

Centro has had a bit of trouble with consistency. I don't know if you remember as far back as March to tell me how he did in the open mile at indoor nationals? He's totally capable of something faster than that, but he does have a bit of trouble running consistently fast. By the way, he ran 4:03.4 in high school, so 4:03.0 like I said would actually be faster than in high school.

A.J., on the other hand, is the X-factor, I think he could totally run 3:58 like he has before, however, he's still coming back from injury. Still had an impressive indoor season considering.

All in all, this is just my opinion, so get over it. You can have yours and I'll have mine. Oh, and it's spelled "relay."

German Fernandez's 3:55 solo otherwise, it is extremely difficult to run sub 4's all alone. I would expect the UO runners to be several seconds behind their mile PR's.

Nevertheless, the race could break the Collegiate 4:08 record and possibly the 4:04 American record.

jeepers wrote:

will wrote:

No way can I see those guys being on par with the four who hold that record. Maybe in 5 years, but, not now.

well, I agree with you in terms of reputation and those guys are legends, but it's hard to argue the times that these guys have already run.

AJ - 3:58 last year indoors

Rupp - 3:57 this year indoors

Centro - 3:57 this year indoors

Wheating - 1:45.0, 3:38 last year outdoors

pretty solid and other than AJ they seem to be making big strides forward, AJ may too if he's healthy.

Take a look at the guys on the Irish team and compare what they ran on the relay to their PRs. They all ran well off their PRs except for maybe O'Mara. The same thing is going to happen to the Oregon guys. It will take a monumental effort to get under 16:00.

You're being completely unrealistic about what you think UO can run.

the 1985 Arkansas men ran a 14:50 4 X 1500 which I believe converts to about a 15:58. The '77 West Germans also had a better equivalent time.

on kind of a related note ... the Univ. of Texas 4 X 800 relay team had disappointing 7:22 at Texas Relays. With a 1:45 guy, 1:47 indoor guy, and two other sold runners, you would have expected better. The collegiate record, 7:08 by 1984 Arizona State, is pretty solid and works out to 1:47 per leg.

I definitely acknowledge your points.

Wheating did run 3:58 and then 3:38 last spring when he began to break out. I ran one indoor mile this year in NY and was rabbitted through the half at 1:59 well ahead of the pack (including centrowitz) and ran the last half alone to finish in 3:59. Not sure if you heard, but going into NCAA's he had a hot spot or stress reaction and hadn't been working out on the track and was mostly running in the water or alter G. In an 800 it's pretty easy to lose sharpness. Remember he opened the season with 1:47.0 which remained the fastest time all indoors. He didn't race the last month of indoors until NCAA's so it's pretty likely if he had he would have run a faster mile or 800 or both.

After centro finished 3 seconds back from Wheating in NY he went on to run 3:57 and 7:55, so his fitness came around. His NCAA's were not terrific but he did make finals in the mile, get 5th (kickers race times mean nothing) and then slugged through the 3K.

AJ it probably mostly depends on health.

You're right that it's hard to get everyone to hit at the same time, but if they are largely out there alone there will be a sense of focus that is unlike a competitive mile. I have run 4x800's and 4x1600's and was surpised how close we maintained to our pr's, some even ran better. And these were often at relay invitationals where we tripled or doubled. But yes, usually one guy did slip up a bit.

Still, i really think rupp is capable of at least 3:56 if not 3:55 so you have a pretty big cushion on his leg. As for the rest they are all capable of 2-3 seconds under 4 (and have done it) so again, you have 2-3 seconds cusion for them.

So if every one of them ran 2 seconds of their indoor PRs you'd still have a strong shot at under 16:00. And if someone like say Rupp gets the relay at 12:01 or 11:59 as the anchor, well he has proved himself to be pretty damn clutch. I'd say 12:03 and he'd still go get it done.

[quote]reheheaaly wrote:

I ran one indoor mile this year in NY and was rabbitted through the half at 1:59 well ahead of the pack (including centrowitz) and ran the last half alone to finish in 3:59. ........quote]

Correction, obviously HE (wheating) not I (me), though I wish i did.

Sheriff Buford T. Pusser wrote:

the 1985 Arkansas men ran a 14:50 4 X 1500 which I believe converts to about a 15:58. The '77 West Germans also had a better equivalent time.

3:42.5 x 4 guys = 14:50, so since 3:42.2 = 4 flat mile I think a more accurate conversion would be about 16:01.4, as their official time was 14:50.2. Still not a bad day at the park, and I don't think those fellas get the love they deserve for that effort those many years ago.

arkansas will have a great miler squad these coming years

duncan phillips

ulrey

the mcclarys

and a couple of others with potential

add that to the fact they signed Drew Butler...

so if they are doing this at Oregon relays, will there be an OTC team in there for competition?

if wheating leads off and comes through in 3:00 he can likely close in at least :57, that gives them a buffer for the next couple legs. as pointed out, rupp opened indoors with 3:57 dmr 1600 where he slowed substantially in the middle with Ulrey sitting on him. we know he's better than that now. should be fun, weather is a factor.

If people are not sure about A J Acosta's health, why doesn't Oregon run Jordan McNamara. I think he ran a 3:41 1500 last year, so a 3:58 mile is doable.

Wheating 3:58

Centro 3:59

McNamara 4:01

Rupp 3:57

I will not disagree with you saying Rupp is clutch. He is certainly the guy you want on an anchor leg. I still think the x factor is Acosta. Centro could run anywhere from 3:56-4:03 in my opinion. Wheating, I wasn't aware of his injury, but with that information and assuming he's healthy by the race, I would give him at least a 3:58.

But I guess we'll just have to wait and see if it ever happens, right? haha

Haha Wheating... talking about yourself these days. That's not a way to gain fans. Stop talking about yourself and let your running do the talking. You don't need to self-promote yourself.

4 x mile WR 15:49.08 Irish Republic team of Coughlan, O'Sullivan, O'Mara, Flynn

5KMaster wrote:

4 x mile WR 15:49.08 Irish Republic team of Coughlan, O'Sullivan, O'Mara, Flynn

Welcome to 3 days ago.

It sounds as if Oregon will not be attending the Penn Relays. Are any other teams not going as well?

Will Arkansas be there? or will they go out to Eugene to challenge Oregon

2007 penn relays provides a data point to look at.

1 U Texas 16:21.57 Erik Stanley (4:07.4), Joe Thorne (4:03.8), Jake Morse (4:06.9), Leonel Manzano (4:03.5)

2 V Wisconsin 16:23.35 Brandon Bethke (4:07.1), Craig Miller (4:03.6), John Bolas (4:07.7), Chris Solinsky (4:05.0)

7 L Oregon 16:28.52 James Withers (4:08.3), Andrew Acosta (4:01.5), Michael McGrath (4:10.3), Andrew Wheating (4:08.4)

there was no mention of records that i remember but i remember thinking it would be fast. i'm not that famaliar with the texas team. oregon provides Acosta with the fastest leg and Wheating as an anchor. i think the most important thing to look at is wisconsin. i think that year all those guys were 3:57 to 4:01 mile runners.

electron1661 wrote:

USA 4xMile

Alan Webb 3:47 (has run faster)

Lagat 3:44 (has run that or faster)

Manzano 3:52 (could hit that)

German 3:53 (he went 3:55 flat indoors so...)

= 15:16 !!!!!!

this is ridiculous. first of all, he is a great runner, but german fernandez is not at present the fourth best american miler. he's not even the ncaa champ, i doubt he is #4 in the usa right now. not to mention, the day alan webb runs 3:47 on a relay is the day that it snows at the penn relays. maybe a 3:47 1500? that would be possible. perhaps we are talking about 1500's. because lagat, championship race runner that he may be, no longer has the body to run a 3:44 mile. perhaps the only accurate one on there is manzano at 3:52.

all that said, it is really not that hard to run a mile alone. i think it's a lot harder to run a 5k alone than it is to run a mile alone. a mile you sprint for four laps until your legs lock up and you can't go any faster. and that's the end of that. maybe this is biased coming from someone whose best event is 13 times longer, but one mile is over in a snap. aside from breaking the wind, i don't think it makes a difference if they have anyone to race. or, perhaps i should say, it shouldn't make a difference.

rupp, although i've never been his biggest fan, has shown he has the mental stamina to run well alone. i think on a good day at penn he could run 3:55 alone. wheating is physically capable in my opinion of running about the same thing, but i agree with the poster who noted how conservative he seems to go out over longer distances. i think 3:59 is very realistic. acosta is tough to tell. if he is back healthy, i can see him running right around 4 flat. centrowitz is clearly, in my opinion, a longer distance runner more in the frame of rupp, as opposed to wheating, but he did have a very strong indoor, and on a good day, i don't think 3:58-59 alone is impossible. don't forget that aside from wheating, all of these guys were high school national champions in one event or another, and have a strong background of running alone. none have quite accomplished what german has solo (personally i think his solo H.S. 8:34 is one of the greatest American track performances of all time), but they are accustomed to the idea.

based on all of this, 15:53 is definitely runnable in my book. a sub 15:50 performance would be truly outstanding and 'unbelievable'. something in the high 15:50's would be great but out of a group of guys this talented you should be expecting something great.

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