zcbkheret54trswy wrote:
Back then it was the 5000 and 10,000, not 5k or 10k.
km is correct, k is not.
Still is, track is m, roads are km.
zcbkheret54trswy wrote:
Back then it was the 5000 and 10,000, not 5k or 10k.
km is correct, k is not.
Still is, track is m, roads are km.
I did know that. Doug Brown also ran the steeplechase in the 1976 Olympics.
What I do know about the 1972 steeplechase is that , as is usual in the Olympics, the qualifying heats were brutal. There were falls. In fact world record holder Kerry O'Brien lost a shoe with 200 mters to go, failed to clear the next hurdle and limped off the track. The winners of heats one and four were under the former Olympic Record. There were no US runners in the final. As in 1968 (Amos Biwott and Ben Kogo), the first two runners were Kenyans. In 72, it was Kip Keino in an Olympic Record 8:23.6 and Ben Jipcho with Amos Biwott sixth.
lease wrote:
HRE wrote:Who was the third US steeplechaser at Munich. I know Steve Savage and Mike Manley were two of the
Ooh, ooh, I know this one!
Would you believe...Doug Brown?
I would believe. Thanks.
And being anal retentive is still in fashion at Let's Run
300 Game wrote:
zcbkheret54trswy wrote:Back then it was the 5000 and 10,000, not 5k or 10k.
km is correct, k is not.
Still is, track is m, roads are km.
In the early 1980s I was watching a July 4th 5k run in a small town (Sealy, TX), which was usually won by master's legend Ino Cantu, when I saw a guy coming around the final bend with a huge lead. Someone told me later it was Len Hilton. I think he ran about a 15:30, which was an amazing time for that particular race. He lived here in Houston, and died of cancer several years ago.
Len Hilton completed for University of Houston. He was anchor leg for the distance medley team that set the world record in 1970. He never held the american indoor mile record. He was the outdoor AAU mile champion in 1973. First texan ever to break four minutes in the mile and went on to do it 32 times. Succumbed to pancreatic cancer 7/4/2000.
48 wrote:
He never held the american indoor mile record. He was the outdoor AAU mile champion in 1973. First texan ever to break four minutes in the mile and went on to do it 32 times.
My mistake. I was thinking that he ran 3:55 indoors, but I guess my memory is just getting bad.
Richard Romo was the first Texan to break four minutes in the mile. He ran 3:58.8 at the Texas Relays in 1966.
Len Hilton ran 3:55.9 outdoors in the AAU Championship in 1973. Marty Liquori was second in 3:56.8.
Richard Romo was the first Texan to break four minutes in the mile. He ran 3:58.8 at the Texas Relays in 1966.[/quote]
Romo ran in 3:58.8 hand timed in an LA All comers meet in 1966. Jim Ryun won the Texas Relays mile in 1966, Romo would win in 1967 in 4:03.7.
Hilton would win the race twice in 1969 again in 1973.
I stated incorrectly that Hilton was the first Texan, but I am pretty sure he was the first to go under four minutes within the state of Texas.
Why didn't Ryun win the NCAA mile in 1966? Were freshmen not allowed to compete in the championship back then? The winner, I think, was Dave Patrick. Didn't he go to Villanova?
Ryun won the NCAA mile championship in 1967, but he had mono in 1968 and was mentally burned out in 1969.
lease wrote:
OrvilleAtkins wrote:Viren ran his last 800 in 1:56.0 and the last 400 in 56.0
And his last 1600 in 3:59.8...
AND he was doped to the gills.
Pretty sure you are right about Ryun being inedible to compete as a freshman, seems ridiculous now, but then and now the NC2A cann be pretty ridiculous. Patrick did indeed go to Villanova.
Ryun's mono made it all the more remarkable what he did at Mexico City.
Back to Hilton smart competitor with one helluva a kick as Liqouri would find out.
categorically wrote:
lease wrote:And his last 1600 in 3:59.8...
AND he was doped to the gills.
And you can prove it.
An aside on Romo, college president at UTSA.
Question: Who ran the first 8 minute 3,000 m?
Derek Ibbotson 8:00.0
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By the way I love the question...Who ran the first four minute mile?
Derek Ibbotson 4:00.0[/quote]
48 wrote:
Pretty sure you are right about Ryun being inedible to compete as a freshman, seems ridiculous now, but then and now the NC2A cann be pretty ridiculous.
Inedible? I should think so.
opps nice catch Scott. I always thought the Penn , Drake Texas relay carnivores were pretty good too ;)
Sincerely, Norm C
You Are Right On wrote:
Question: Who ran the first 8 minute 3,000 m?
Derek Ibbotson 8:00.0
Are you sure?????Wow, that's incredible!!!! 4:00.00 mile and 8:00.00 3,000m?
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By the way I love the question...Who ran the first four minute mile?
Derek Ibbotson 4:00.0
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This would be an interesting thread. List the most sub four minute miles. John Mason of Phillisburg, Kansas I think ran more than thirty. John won the AAU 1500 in 1968 but unfortunately did not make the Olympic team that year. He is one of the most un-heralded U.S. milers. Hell of a runner!
Rather, not giving a crap about the sport or its standards. Lax RWitis rules the day with the invasion of know-nothing hobbyjoggers.
sigmund wrote:
And being anal retentive is still in fashion at Let's Run
300 Game wrote:Still is, track is m, roads are km.