NYC Club Champs: What's up with the team scoring???

Yup the MTC focuses on bigger races. That 19th place finish at nationals last year (and 19th the year before!) took such a laser-like focus I'm surprised they raced at all during the year.

I don't post much these days, but figured I would chime in. We don't run the club points races because we don't have enough guys (on purpose) to realistically do well. Think about it. During cross we race every 2 weeks and we have key workouts I want the guys to do in between. So from september til dec it doesn't work. Same thing goes for indoor and outdoor. During the sumner, I like the guys to break from racing because it's the time to just rebuild and refresh. Next winter we may run more in a buildup to Boston if it makes sense from a training perspective.

Also, as an FYI, I spoke to Mary about thi exact dilemma and she agreed the once a month schedule is not ideal for a team trying to maximize their athletic ability.

Hey Jonesy... looking forward to seeing the Eddylee thread again. Anyway... last week ran 5K race in 18:06.

How you doing?

Ron

Radical Ron wrote:

last week ran 5K race in 18:06.

I'm all a'feared! What ever shall we do?

Mary is a very agreeable person. It's her job to make people feel important, and she is very good at it.

conto wrote:

Also, as an FYI, I spoke to Mary about thi exact dilemma and she agreed the once a month schedule is not ideal for a team trying to maximize their athletic ability.

nice job, ron. i had a couple big pr's.

that's pretty funny that 28:20 is really slow when manhattan and the other guys can barely muster anyone under those times, aside from their scorers. I could have chosen 27:21 and still got 20 from CPTC,

as compared to 12 for Westchester

9 for Manhattan TC

and 7 for West Side.

Okay, but when you are talking Manhattan TC 9/11 = >90% while CPTC 20/hundreds = <10%...I'm not sure what your point is.

jonesy. wrote:

nice job, ron. i had a couple big pr's.

that's pretty funny that 28:20 is really slow when manhattan and the other guys can barely muster anyone under those times, aside from their scorers. I could have chosen 27:21 and still got 20 from CPTC,

as compared to 12 for Westchester

9 for Manhattan TC

and 7 for West Side.

CPTC's active membership is dozens, not hundreds. NYFlyers is bigger, West Side and Westchester too. Getting people to show up for a race in the city on a mid-August weekend is the major problem.

uh, bright boy, 9/11 is less than 82 percent, not more than 90 percent. the clubs are accomplishing different things with different material.

Alien Runner wrote:

CPTC's active membership is dozens, not hundreds. NYFlyers is bigger, West Side and Westchester too. Getting people to show up for a race in the city on a mid-August weekend is the major problem.

Really? They had 70 men and 39 women finish the club championships. How did they do that with membership in the dozens? Maybe if you cube a dozen you will get their actual membership number. I see lots of mediocrity there that trains to run the same times January through December on one-size fits all workouts no matter what or when your A races are.

Einsteins wrote:

Alien Runner wrote:

CPTC's active membership is dozens, not hundreds. NYFlyers is bigger, West Side and Westchester too. Getting people to show up for a race in the city on a mid-August weekend is the major problem.

Really? They had 70 men and 39 women finish the club championships. How did they do that with membership in the dozens? Maybe if you cube a dozen you will get their actual membership number. I see lots of mediocrity there that trains to run the same times January through December on one-size fits all workouts no matter what or when your A races are.

YOU are better than CPTC? I don't think so--you'd just be another fill in scrub for CPTC.

cptc gets guys pr'ing frequently, so I don't know where you get that claim that they train to run the same times all year long. the club president started out in the 'd' group and is a 26 minute guy now. don't count my twenty pr's with them. they have different groups and different workout options. talk to the coaches and they'll give you other workouts. some don't do the team workouts but run with team members. leading virtually every category in the club points race, they must be doing something right.

Einsteins wrote:

Alien Runner wrote:

CPTC's active membership is dozens, not hundreds. NYFlyers is bigger, West Side and Westchester too. Getting people to show up for a race in the city on a mid-August weekend is the major problem.

Really? They had 70 men and 39 women finish the club championships. How did they do that with membership in the dozens? Maybe if you cube a dozen you will get their actual membership number. I see lots of mediocrity there that trains to run the same times January through December on one-size fits all workouts no matter what or when your A races are.

Let's see...70+39=109. Would that be "dozens" or "hundreds"? (I say nine dozen plus one.) WSX, WTC, NYF are bigger, WS and GNY seem to be pretty close.

CPTC has 300 plus members if not 400 members.

How do you go from bragging about having 30 under 28:20 to claiming you're shorthanded?

Not to mention NYAC women > CPTC women. :-D

Does anybody even care anymore about the club team championships. In the early 90's it was a better competition between club runners, now it seems to be a battle between teams with some sponsorship (NIKE Central Park, NYAC,) that recruit hard for their membership Vs. teams that exist to allow all runners a chance to train and compete together in the true sense of the club system.

I can remember a year when Warren St. imported a young lady from California to run a race at the end of the year so they could edge out Moving Comfort for the final team points standings. They claimed she was always part of the team and could compete for them (true by definition but morally wrong for the purpose of beating a team of true locals). If you look at the results now of races in NYC you can see that many teams have stopped putting emphasis on the club points races which I think shows that many NYC runners are disenfranchised by the whole system.

Warren Street did the exact same thing last year in the marathon (brought in a ringer from California). Despite kicking and crying more than a kid in a sand box who gets his shovel taken away, the ringer correctly was removed from the scoring. Classy operation they have over there.

I didn't claim they were shorthanded. They may not get the middling D-1 runners that MTC gets or the former elite runners that NYAC gets, but they are definitely not short-handed. As for ringers, that's why the NYRR knocked out the first place overall finisher from WSX's squad, and others.