I'm surprised Henderson is a professor. I only met him once, but he didn't come off as particularly bright. He may have had a beer or two in him, though. Here's what I think is his best 5000.
13:23.57 Dan Henderson (1985)
I'm surprised Henderson is a professor. I only met him once, but he didn't come off as particularly bright. He may have had a beer or two in him, though. Here's what I think is his best 5000.
13:23.57 Dan Henderson (1985)
Couldn't find a Rob something from Amherst, but here's Paranya's info:
Karl Paranya USA 3:57.6 m 14 May 97
The 'm' is for manual timing.
I checked out Amherst's web page and found the outdoor/indoor school records:
http://www.amherst.edu/~xcountry/recordsOM.html
http://www.amherst.edu/~xcountry/recordsIM.html
Rob Mitchell ran 3:45.41 (1500m) and 4:03.30 (mile) in 97 and 98. These must have been at open meets or invites or something. I guess that he did not break 4 minutes in college but may have post collegiately.
I looked at the T&FN lists for 1999-2007 and found that he ran 4:02.3x 2-3 times in 2001-2003 but never broke 4 minutes. He also ran ~3:42 for 1500m. The power of the internet!
are we talking indoor our outdoor for these times? It's indoor season...so I think in terms of indoor.
Karly Paranya ran 4:00.96 (full mile) indoors his senior year.
Edit: Karl (yes, I know his name isn't Karly)
Interesting, because I believe in the meet program last year they listed will leer as the indoor mile championships record holder.
hmm im confused wrote:
Interesting, because I believe in the meet program last year they listed will leer as the indoor mile championships record holder.
I could be wrong on this, but I believe that they never ran the mile indoor up until the 2005 season. That was when they switched from the 1500. I am guessing that they likely never ran the mile indoor before that (or at least not as a championship event. Also, just because he's listed as the championships record holder doesn't mean he's run the fastest mile in D3. It just means he's run the fastest mile at the national meet. As far as I know, I think that record has been broken each year since being set by Sigl in prelims and then Kleimanhagen (sp?) in finals in 2005.
You are correct. Indoors switched from the 1500 to the full mile in the 05-06 indoor season, so Will Leer having the Indoor Championship Record in the mile is correct.
Two things I notice from that all-time top tens list...
1) Jimmy O'Brien isn't far off the list for 800m. I figure he'll probably get there this year.
2) The 400H record is pretty good.
jsquire wrote:
2) The 400H record is pretty good.
If there was a DIII when Edwin Moses went to Morehouse, I'd guess that the 400H record was a world record or close to it.
Yes, there was, and yes, it was.
Tomorrow John Crain is running the 5000 at the Drake Relays. He already ran the #2 10,000 of all-time at Stanford in 28:52. I think he's going to try to take a shot at Dan Henderson's record of 13:50.
Also in the race is St. Olaf's Grant Wintheiser, twice a 3rd place finisher at NCAA XC championship, and runner-up just behind Crain in the indoor 3000. He ran a 14:19 5000 recently, but should be able to go much faster in a well-paced race, as he recently ran a 3:48 1500, and Crain ran 3:50. Other D3 runners in the race: Crain's North Central teammate Troy Kelleher has run a 29:55 10K, and UW La Crosse's Josh Dedering, has run a 30:12 10K and 3:54 1500.
Haverford's Chris Stadler has already run a 14:01, putting him at #9 on the all-time list. I think Crain and Wintheiser should definitely be able to break 14:00 if the weather is good, and Crain a good chance at breaking 13:50.
So any of the DI guys even ready to throw down that pace? Possibly Ryan Rutherford:
Ryan Rutherford, 28:41
Matt McClintock, 29:09
Isaiah Bragg, 14:07, 29:37
Gavin Owens, 8:57 Steeple
Jordan Hebert, 14:12
Drake Startlist:
http://www.godrakebulldogs.com/pdf9/2687327.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=15700
Performance Lists:
http://www.directathletics.com/view_list.html
Alltime List:
Dang, Rutherford isn't running now. Hopefully Crain and Wintheiser can work together to go for record pace. If they hit 3200 at 8:50-8:54 they should be in good shape.
Finals
1 Matt McClintock SO Purdue 14:01.33
2 John Crain SR North Central 14:05.06
3 Troy Kelleher SO North Central 14:14.19
4 Grant Wintheiser JR St. Olaf 14:14.66
5 Aaron Bartnik SO Minnesota 14:14.95
6 Brant Haase SO South Dakota 14:18.92
7 Gavin Owens SR Air Force 14:22.40
8 Dennis Hodapp SR Tulsa 14:27.19
9 Josh Dedering SR UW-La Crosse 14:31.55
10 Harlow Ladd FR Purdue 14:46.49
11 Paul Zeman SO Illinois 14:53.97
12 Brad Miles FR Baylor 14:55.11
13 Isaiah Bragg SR Air Force 14:55.78
Disappointing, Crain only improved on his indoor time by 1 second. Problem with this time of year in the Midwest is it can get quite windy, which may have been a factor. Most impressive result was probably Crain's teammate Troy Kelleher at 14:14, as he's only a sophomore. Looks like North Central will be in a good position to take back their title from St. Olaf next fall, though Olaf should be very strong too.
That does place Crain at #10 on the all-time list. And to correct upthread, Stadler is at #8. He should go back to Stanford to take another shot at it!
With his strong XC credentials and 3:48 1500, Wintheiser should be capable of breaking 14:00 too. He's just a junior, but has been injury-prone his previous two track seasons. So it's a tough call whether to continue to be conservative, or if he's healthy, go for it while he can.
Fastnbulbous wrote:
Finals
1 Matt McClintock SO Purdue 14:01.33
2 John Crain SR North Central 14:05.06
3 Troy Kelleher SO North Central 14:14.19
4 Grant Wintheiser JR St. Olaf 14:14.66
5 Aaron Bartnik SO Minnesota 14:14.95
6 Brant Haase SO South Dakota 14:18.92
7 Gavin Owens SR Air Force 14:22.40
8 Dennis Hodapp SR Tulsa 14:27.19
9 Josh Dedering SR UW-La Crosse 14:31.55
10 Harlow Ladd FR Purdue 14:46.49
11 Paul Zeman SO Illinois 14:53.97
12 Brad Miles FR Baylor 14:55.11
13 Isaiah Bragg SR Air Force 14:55.78
Disappointing, Crain only improved on his indoor time by 1 second. Problem with this time of year in the Midwest is it can get quite windy, which may have been a factor. Most impressive result was probably Crain's teammate Troy Kelleher at 14:14, as he's only a sophomore. Looks like North Central will be in a good position to take back their title from St. Olaf next fall, though Olaf should be very strong too.
I can't say that running a 14:05 should be too disappointing ever, let alone in April. I'll be interested to see splits; Wintheiser almost never goes out hard. This race was the last one of the day, so conditions might have changed, but the high school boys 3200 winner ran sub-9:00 and the high school girls 3k winner was sub-9:30.
As for cross-country, St. Olaf will have Winthesier (3:48/14:14), Campbell (3:52/14:37), Meyer (31:0x/14:53), and Escher (3:49). Plus #9 finisher Brown (just finished ski season) and #65 finisher Lehn (injured?). It should be a battle.
113 wrote:
Fastnbulbous wrote:Finals
1 Matt McClintock SO Purdue 14:01.33
2 John Crain SR North Central 14:05.06
3 Troy Kelleher SO North Central 14:14.19
4 Grant Wintheiser JR St. Olaf 14:14.66
5 Aaron Bartnik SO Minnesota 14:14.95
6 Brant Haase SO South Dakota 14:18.92
7 Gavin Owens SR Air Force 14:22.40
8 Dennis Hodapp SR Tulsa 14:27.19
9 Josh Dedering SR UW-La Crosse 14:31.55
10 Harlow Ladd FR Purdue 14:46.49
11 Paul Zeman SO Illinois 14:53.97
12 Brad Miles FR Baylor 14:55.11
13 Isaiah Bragg SR Air Force 14:55.78
Disappointing, Crain only improved on his indoor time by 1 second. Problem with this time of year in the Midwest is it can get quite windy, which may have been a factor. Most impressive result was probably Crain's teammate Troy Kelleher at 14:14, as he's only a sophomore. Looks like North Central will be in a good position to take back their title from St. Olaf next fall, though Olaf should be very strong too.
I can't say that running a 14:05 should be too disappointing ever, let alone in April. I'll be interested to see splits; Wintheiser almost never goes out hard. This race was the last one of the day, so conditions might have changed, but the high school boys 3200 winner ran sub-9:00 and the high school girls 3k winner was sub-9:30.
As for cross-country, St. Olaf will have Winthesier (3:48/14:14), Campbell (3:52/14:37), Meyer (31:0x/14:53), and Escher (3:49). Plus #9 finisher Brown (just finished ski season) and #65 finisher Lehn (injured?). It should be a battle.
In comparison, NCC will have Kelleher (14:14/29:55), Dickshinski (14:35/30:35), Morrison (8:20/30:28), Root (8:25/14:34), and Vasquez (14:52/31:03), plus Sebhat who was on their top 7 and ran 3:52 last season and McMahon who has run 30:46 this season. Should be a good battle
aowfa wrote:
113 wrote:As for cross-country, St. Olaf will have Winthesier (3:48/14:14), Campbell (3:52/14:37), Meyer (31:0x/14:53), and Escher (3:49). Plus #9 finisher Brown (just finished ski season) and #65 finisher Lehn (injured?). It should be a battle.
In comparison, NCC will have Kelleher (14:14/29:55), Dickshinski (14:35/30:35), Morrison (8:20/30:28), Root (8:25/14:34), and Vasquez (14:52/31:03), plus Sebhat who was on their top 7 and ran 3:52 last season and McMahon who has run 30:46 this season. Should be a good battle
I thought Root was a senior? That's how he was listed in the nationals results.
Either way, I'm sure depth won't be a problem for NCC. I would be fairly surprised if one of those two teams didn't win. They will both also probably have some random 15:50 guy who turns into a top-50 nationals finisher over the summer.
aowfa wrote:
I can't say that running a 14:05 should be too disappointing ever, let alone in April. I'll be interested to see splits; Wintheiser almost never goes out hard. This race was the last one of the day, so conditions might have changed, but the high school boys 3200 winner ran sub-9:00 and the high school girls 3k winner was sub-9:30.
Normally I'd agree, but Crain did recently run a 28:52 10,000, which the IAAF scores as 1053 points. Guess what also is good for 1053 pts? A 13:44 5000! Crain has good speed too, having run sub-4:10 mile indoors, and a 3:50 just last week, so he should be more than capable of a sub-13:50.
Wintheiser's 3:48.69 1500 is good for 993 points, which is a 14:02 5000. Given how well he runs XC, he should be better at 5000, which is why I was excited for the possibility of a sub-14 from him.