Josh Cox 2:22 Marathon in Training

He went to Liberty University. The same LU that Josh McDougal goes to. So we know what will happen in the big race...

Jerry F wrote:

He went to Liberty University. The same LU that Josh McDougal goes to. So we know what will happen in the big race...

His power level will go OVER 9000 and then he will win!!!

Cox's former coach, Kevin McCarey, thinks Cox has mismanaged his career and that his best days are behind him.

“Some people learn from their lessons,” said McCarey, himself a former 2:13 marathoner. “He never learned from his lessons. His running ended a long time ago.”

From a training perspective, McCarey offers three main criticisms of Cox: that he logged far too many miles; that he ran too

much by himself; and that he let himself be coached by Italy's Dr. Gabriele Rosa, who often went months without seeing Cox train.

“Yeah, I did too many miles,” admitted Cox, who once racked up consecutive weeks of 188, 186, 175 and 172 miles, at altitude. “That was five years ago. I've learned.”

To a degree, it pains McCarey to be so critical of Cox.

“As a human being, he's one of the most quality people I've ever met on this planet,” McCarey said. “Just a very loving human being.”

Yet McCarey's criticism doesn't stop with Cox's training.

“He got into other things. You can't get into other things if you're a marathoner, if you want to be one of the best,” McCarey said. “You have to devote yourself to it, and he didn't.”

i would say that he has done fairly well...in more than one genre...perhaps balance is what he was looking for...a coach usually just has a myopic view anyway...

Has anyone noticed the fact that he had to stop and wait for Hall? Does this mean he was that far ahead of him or that his workout was shorter?

It was at the Air Force Marathon

can someone clarify his workout for me

10 miles hard

10 miles tempo

then his "cool-down" was 520s?

Pretty sure he qualified at the Air Force Marathon. According to this thread, anyway.

I've done a variation on this workout, only the 10k of 'cooldown' is done at marathon pace the day before, and the hard 10 miles is done at a moderate intensity and the 10 mile tempo is done at marathon pace.

So, other than those huge differences, almost *exactly* the same workout.

If he makes a habit of doing stupid workouts like this, don't call it a comeback, cos it ain't, and he won't.

Too many miles? Tell that to Toshihiko Seko, one of the greatest marathoners of all time who average a marathon a day in training, ~180 miles a week.

Too many miles? Tell that to Toshihiko Seko, one of the greatest marathoners of all time who average a marathon a day in training, ~180 miles a week. Paul Tergat also peaked at 300k a week and we all know how fast he ran the marathon.

Read: "At the end of that week we did a marathon simulation, (10 miles up tempo, 10 miles race effort) I managed to string together a 4:44, 4:47, 5:02, 5:04, 5:08 from 14-18, I watched Hall finish his session and left for my cool down on the tempo course and my first mile was a 5:30 then a 5:20. So I just kept running. All told I ended up going 26.2 in 2:22:30. It was a huge confidence builder up here above 7000ft. Plow the field and pray for rain..."

So he was popping sub 5s in the middle of the 10 mile race pace effort. If it was a 20 mile race sim split into 10/10 and finished with 10k at 5:20-30 pace and a total of 2:22 for 26.2 miles (about 5:25 pace) I would say his workout went something like this:

5:43 avg pace for 10 miles (probably in cutdown fashion), then his 10 mile race pace at 5:15, 5;10, 5:05, 4;44, 4:47, 5:02, 5:04, 5:08, 5:10, 5;10....walk/watch around for a few minutes 5:25 avg for 10k "cooldown" That would end up right around 2:22+

Alan

Impressive. He's pgotta be capable of at least a DNF in a race---maybe a 2:25 if things go wrong.

Tempo does not equate to 5:43 avg. pace. Tempo would be at threshold, very likely near 5:00-5:05 pace. Race pace, if talking marathon pace, wouldn't be too different than a tempo/threshold pace. That's pretty much a marathon - threshold for 26 miles. The workout sounds solid enough, but nothing really to jump for joy over...

It was at the Air Force Marathon.

by "up tempo" i think he means faster than easy but not quite MP. i don't think he is using "tempo" to mean lactate threshold in this case. that would be an impossible workout. his "tempo" pace is in the 4:45-4:50 range (assuming he is as fast as his training partner, browne)as it is roughly equal to H-marathon pace. i'd say runningart's guess about the workout is fairly close to what it was. i don't think we should assume hall was doing the same workout, either.

he looks in shape to be around 7-9th at the OMT on a good day.

There are many definitions of tempo other than Jtupper's. Even he has modified tempos.

In September wrote:

It was at the Air Force Marathon.

I think the main point to make is that the Air Force Marathon is not in Akron. Akron does still house the Goodyear Blimp when he is not batting 3rd for the Red Sox.

He will get beat by a minimum of 5 Brooks-Hansons runners.