BOYCOTT MILLROSE GAMES

didn't the boycott already happen?

pretty lean crowds at that meet over last few years

Actually, the crowds have been getting larger again in recent years ....over 14,000 for sure. Granted, the cheap seats are REALLY cheap. And I don't deny that thwe high school races help fill the stands.

Blofeld wrote:

Actually, the crowds have been getting larger again in recent years ....over 14,000 for sure..

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Mary Slaney? wrote:

Why expel Slaney forever? She served her time. She's eligible to compete again. It is inappropriate to honor a convicted cheat. You DO understand the differences here?

not really. you seem to be slicing a pretty thin hair. so people who are convicted can compete but we can't celebrate their accomplishments when they were clean, either before or after their conviction? that seems tantamount to an expulsion from the sport.

oh, i see. please forgive my limited capacity for understanding complex thoughts. i clearly can't distinguish between your arguement and the greasy, olestra-caused nacho-and-jalapenos turd i left in the drain of my bathtub an hour ago.

you're still an idiot.

Watch her races in the 1983 World Championships in the 1,500m and the 3,000m against the Soviets, East Germans, etc. No American women has ever run a guttier, better race at any distance in any championship ever. I don't care about the meet, those were the two greatest races an American woman has ever run on the track. I can easily stretch that to the greatest race of any American distance runner (male or female) and stay in the argument for a very, very long time.

You can say what you want about her positive drug test, based on the science of the time - 1996, it was a questionable result. Anyone on here who wants to question Mary Decker as a person needs to change their sport of interest, because she is no better or worse than 90% of the others in Track and Field.

If you want to have any perspective on Women's and American distance running those two races are equal with the greatest ever. If you have never seen them, you need to find them.

PS - When you've seen 1983, you'll much better understand 1984.

David Beauchem wrote:

You can say what you want about her positive drug test, based on the science of the time - 1996, it was a questionable result. .

The result wasn't questionable at all. That same science exists today. In fact the T/E threshold is even tighter now (4:1) than it was in 1996 (6:1). Slaney was so dirty her T:E ratio was 11:1.

1983, the only women with as much back acne as Slaney had in that 1983 final were Russians and East Germans.

jester wrote:

oh, i see. please forgive my limited capacity for understanding complex thoughts. i clearly can't distinguish between your arguement and the greasy, olestra-caused nacho-and-jalapenos turd i left in the drain of my bathtub an hour ago.

you're still an idiot.

From vulgarities to the ad hominem, your poster girl Slaney would be proud of you.

I've been going to Millrose since the late 60's.

The Millrose Games is honoring Howard Schmertz. Members of the Hall of Fame are going to honor Howard.

The numbers at the Garden have been increasing steadily over the past 4 years 13,500+ (last year).

As for Slaney, we will never know for sure....but we will never know for most of the athletes of the past. Testing proedures and protocols were all in their infant stages. I would say that nearly all athletes prior to the 90's were taking suppliments that wouldn't pass today's tests.

The bottom line is that she was considered clean under the standards and protocols of that time. Her performance in Millrose is one of the Greatest in the history of the sport. Embrace as many great moments as you can. It's bad enough when the negative rhetoric of the media tries to bring down our sport but it's heartbreaking when the athletes and fans (such as on this board) do so.

David Beauchem wrote:

Watch her races in the 1983 World Championships in the 1,500m and the 3,000m against the Soviets, East Germans, etc. No American women has ever run a guttier, better race at any distance in any championship ever. I don't care about the meet, those were the two greatest races an American woman has ever run on the track. I can easily stretch that to the greatest race of any American distance runner (male or female) and stay in the argument for a very, very long time.

Joannie!

given the 2nd-grade mentality of most of the posters on this board, i thought a poop joke was in order...

so let's add "ad populum" to the list of my sins.

you're still advocating a massive disservice to the sport by suggesting that millrose be protested or boycotted. the last thing millrose needs now is controversy with regard to drug use; an issue that the public, who pays scant attention to track to begin with, has a negative view of (though coupled with a short attention span -- how's barry bonds doing? anyone heard lately?). when you bring attention to this minor bullshit, and all the vast collective will remember is "millrose = drugs."

let it go.

jester wrote: the last thing millrose needs now is controversy with regard to drug use; an issue that the public, who pays scant attention to track to begin with, has a negative view of (though coupled with a short attention span -- how's barry bonds doing? anyone heard lately?). when you bring attention to this minor bullshit, and all the vast collective will remember is "millrose = drugs."

If the last thing that Millrose needs is controversy then why bring in an honor a convicted drug cheat? "Track and Field = Drugs" is because of things like this. We cannot talk about Barry Bonds and baseball being dirty when our own sport honors cheaters.

I'm Boycotting due to the high ticket price for the awards banquet. That's way too much.

By this logic we should also be honoring Ben Johnson.

David Beauchem wrote:

those were the two greatest races an American woman has ever run on the track.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Joannie!

What part of on the track do you not understand?

How many others on "the list" is the Millrose Games going to honor?

List of banned athletes

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/List%20of%20athletes%20found%20guilty%20of%20using%20banned%20drugs

Slaney BANNED

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/athletics/news/1999/04/26/slaney_ban/

Bored room wrote:

By this logic we should also be honoring Ben Johnson.

Not following the arguments put forth on this thread; he has a lifetime ban and his federation never cleared him.

Tuone Udaina wrote:

Bored room wrote:

By this logic we should also be honoring Ben Johnson.

Not following the arguments put forth on this thread; he has a lifetime ban and his federation never cleared him.

If Masback was running Athletics Canada Johnson would have been cleared too.

Joanie's race started and ended on the track, in front of the crowd in the stadium.

reading is fundamental wrote:

David Beauchem wrote:

those were the two greatest races an American woman has ever run on the track.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Joannie!

What part of on the track do you not understand?