Kudos to Elite Racing...NO to Asmae Leghzaoui

el cid wrote: I do know that he has never had a positive test

They don't have to issue any such disclaimer, just as a private business owner typically isn't legally required to post signage to that effect in plain view of customers.

I assumed that she could run if she paid her own registration, but I obviously didn't think through that issue. I am glad that Elite has decided to take this stand.

That's one step up on races like Freihofer's, which not only allow her to run but invite her. I hope other elites will support this stand.

Fine, he has never registered a positive test. check with USADA, WADA, etc. Sure it's possible that there's a cover up, but there is no LEGAL basis to not include him.

el cid wrote:

there is no LEGAL basis to not include him.

DUH.

well, i would think it's pretty obvious that those "right to refuse service" disclaimers are not quite as airtight as people would like to think. i agree with your premise generally, however, there are numerous exceptions to such general rules. i am not privy to PA law in this regard but the fact that this "private business" is using city property to engage in their business could change their rights to some degree. other considerations come into play here, as well. i'm certain they'll be hearing from her agent or attorney and, eventually, will have to give her some money (nuisance value, i'm sure) to make it go away. either way, i think it's a great stand by the race and well worth it.

Masback to the drawing board wrote:

el cid wrote:

there is no LEGAL basis to not include him.

DUH.

duh what? you're the one on here saying these races can legally refuse to let anyone enter for any reason. a little consistency would be nice.

No, I'm not. If that what you've seen, then you've got a vivid imagination.

YES, YOU ARE CERTAINLY PART OF THE PROBLEM.

On second glance, I can see the possible confusion if you're mistakenly mixing the two sides of the legal equation together. Race organizers can legally bar anyone they want from their event. Race organizers aren't legally bound to bar Armstrong from entering and participating. Two competely different things.

No, not really. Macy's doesn't let just anyone who wants in to enter their Thanksgiving Day parade, either.

a parade isn't a business.

If not, then how is it run?

Regardless, whoever is putting on a parade or a road race pays the city for the rights to a closed course on the public roads and are allowed to determine who they allow to use those roads under the context of their closure. People who bandit races are technically trespassing.

The problem with Armstrong is not his acceptance in the event. The problem is promoting his entry.

Why is this piece of scum still allowed in the country? She is not a US citizen so must be on some sort of visa. I think? by taking EPO she broke the law and should have her visa revoked.

you're equating access to a parade to access to a race. they're apples and oranges. i would think it's fairly obvious that the parade cannot deny access to viewing of the parade (the "service" they are providing) to "anyone for any reason" because it's on a public street. the race - or whomever is allowed by the city to use the streets - still has to follow certain rules and respect certain rights, depending upon what their use is.

and simply "renting out" public streets doesn't erase certain rights. anyone who knows a lick about constitutional law knows that.

clearly no one on here is aware of the relevant laws so debating it is pretty useless. suffice to say, you know she's going to be sending a nice letter asking for redress from the race. whether she has strong legal standing or not, she's going to get some money. no matter the outcome, it looks like a good stand by the race.

For whatever reason, you're choosing to parse insignificant hairs here. I think it's fairly obvious that the same goes for access for spectators at a race. No event can just do whatever it wants, that's why there are restrictions on the types of events that cities will grand permits for. It's understood that whoever is hosting the event on the closed streets bears responsibility for what happens on those streets (thus insurance requirements). Those who host parades are allowed to screen entries and deny those that they feel do not comply appropriately with their event (protestors, exhibitionists, whatever they don't want in their parade) and the same goes for race management. Parades don't have to let in anyone and everyone who is willing to apply, pay whatever fee may be involved, and sign a release waiver form and it's no different for road races. That's also how women-only races can keep men out; it's a privately-run event, they can exclude men from participating in certain aspects if they want to. Or are you going to now claim that what they do is also illegal?

Just to clarify further, parades offer what you claim as their "service" to specators for free. However, as part of that "service" they have to decide what they want to show those spectators and screen for that. This is why you don't typically see anti-war protestors carrying flag-draped coffins or anti-abortion demonstrators carrying large blowups of photos of bloody fetuses in the Macy's parade. Maybe in the South Park Thanksgiving Day parade, but not NYC's.