We’d see much bigger performances in the 5000/10000 at a world class level if this were the case.
I’m suspicious of these findings.
We have seen that on average, 5k and 10k race times are getting faster for college and elite runners. However, it is interesting that we havent seen any big chunks taken off of the 5k and 10k world records. I will say that it is crazy to me that we are almost desensitized to American men running 12:4x for the 5k. I remember when Galen Rupp broke 13 for the first time and I was shocked that he ran so fast.
Because the shoes won´t help elite runners as much because they already have near perfect mechanics.
We have seen that on average, 5k and 10k race times are getting faster for college and elite runners. However, it is interesting that we havent seen any big chunks taken off of the 5k and 10k world records. I will say that it is crazy to me that we are almost desensitized to American men running 12:4x for the 5k. I remember when Galen Rupp broke 13 for the first time and I was shocked that he ran so fast.
Because the shoes won´t help elite runners as much because they already have near perfect mechanics.
This isn't a mechanics issue/correction of bad mechanics. So - wrong!
A 2.1% improvement in running economy does not directly translate into a 2.1% improvement in running time.
Anyone who has read the studies done on the original Vaporfly 4% should understand this.
It's crazy how people have to regularly be educated on concepts that were clearly laid out almost 10 years ago now. Then again, given current literacy and reading comprehension rates in the US amongst adults, I shouldn't be too surprised...
You can run 6.1% faster by wearing vaporflies over your spikes.
The study claims a 2.1% improvement in running economy is predicted to improve the race time of a 30 minute 10,000 m runner by 25 seconds or 1.4%.
That means Cheptegei's world record of 26:11 is worth 26:33 in the old shoes. Bekele's world record in the old shoes was 26:17. According to this study his record would convert to 25:45 or thereabouts in superspikes.
I second per lap means the top milers today are no better than 3:47-48 in the old shoes. It also means El G was worth 3:39 in the new shoes.
Give it a rest pop pop. It's an average.
What kind of fool uses the extreme outlier and thinks, gotcha?
Do you mean an average runner or an average that includes the very best runners? When posters claim a second per lap they aren't talking about hobby joggers, or extreme outliers.
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It isn't me saying it. It's effectively what is claimed by posters and the study cited here. Personally, I think it is about 10 seconds per mile, based on some claims.
What kind of fool uses the extreme outlier and thinks, gotcha?
Do you mean an average runner or an average that includes the very best runners? When posters claim a second per lap they aren't talking about hobby joggers, or extreme outliers.
The improvement is an average, meaning every runner experiences a different benefit. Some more some less.
Don't be obtuse, you know what an average is.
Point being, there is a noticed improvement with the shoes.
Do you mean an average runner or an average that includes the very best runners? When posters claim a second per lap they aren't talking about hobby joggers, or extreme outliers.
The improvement is an average, meaning every runner experiences a different benefit. Some more some less.
Don't be obtuse, you know what an average is.
Point being, there is a noticed improvement with the shoes.
So by that argument some of the best runners will be included in the average level of improvement. 1 sec per lap. So my point still stands. El G might have run 3:39 and Ingebrigtsen and Hocker may not be much under 3:50. And all because of what they lace up on their feet.
The improvement is an average, meaning every runner experiences a different benefit. Some more some less.
Don't be obtuse, you know what an average is.
Point being, there is a noticed improvement with the shoes.
So by that argument some of the best runners will be included in the average level of improvement. 1 sec per lap. So my point still stands. El G might have run 3:39 and Ingebrigtsen and Hocker may not be much under 3:50. And all because of what they lace up on their feet.
Would Jakob and Hocker improve from doping?
Take the dope from El G - he's probably 3:47 to 3:49
Take the shoes from Jakob and Hocker they are probably 3:47-3:49
What made a world class miler pre EPO, pre super shoes 3:47 to 3:49
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