OK, I wanna know the facts, WHO IS THE GREATEST HIGH SCHOOL TEAM EVER?

Pickerington, Ohio. Jason Rexing went there. He could win any X-C meet single-handedly.

Menomonie Falls North - Wisconsin State Champs - 1980

Top 3 runners:

Tim Hacker

Dave Hacker

Joe Stinzi

Three more solid guys.

None of the teams listed so far were better. Period. Look at the names on the NCAA DI National Championship team from 1982.

Give south Eugene from oregon in the mid 70's a shot. Those guys were crazy good

The John Handley High School team from back in the late 70's was one of the greatest. 6 straight state titles, in 78 they had 12 guys under 4:30 in the mile and 8 guys or so under 9:30 for full 2-miles. Scott Hack was their top runner who I believe still has the mile and 2-mile school records....ahead of Bobby Lockhart 4:06 8:55. (Don\'t quote me on these exact facts, but I know they are close.) I wouldn\'t say they were the best but definitely need some props for what they did!!!!

You can't be serious? Or you are just really ignorant.

Hacker won Nationals, and Joe was an All-Am in XC, but how does that make them the greatest HS team ever?

Hacker was by far the best on that team and he went 1:54/4:12/8:55 I believe. I have huge respect for Joe and Tim Hacker (Dave was just average even by his senior year), but they are nowhere near the best team ever.

There are a few teams in history that have had two guys that fast. South Eugene was one, Mead was another, Monroe (MI) from around 1988-89 was close.

There are teams like York (99-00) and Hammond ('75-76) who had three guys who were faster in one event than Tim Hacker.

So you're really going to compare the York runners times on modern tracks to the shit cindner and asphalt ones of the 80's? I thought we were talking about cross anyway. Sorry, don't know much about the Hammond team. I'd put MFN against York on a muddy cross course anyday.

Dave Hacker an "average" runner his senior year? I have a pic sitting in front of me of the results board from the 1980 WI State xc meet

1. Tim Hacker - 14:53.6

2. Chris Pescke - 15.53.8

3. Joe Stinzi - 14:59.7

4. Dave Hacker - 15:04.6

5. Scott Jenkins - 15:06.2

I wish I was that average (damn cold day, tough Yahara Hills course)

MFN actually didn't win that day (2nd) - 5th man tanked, but that definitely was not indicative of what they did that season.

Sage: 1.51, 4.00, 8.42 state champ in 1600, 3200- Stanford

Cioni- 1.53, 4.11, 9.11- Princeton

Palumbo- 9.06- Iowa

Stasiulis- 1.53, 4.17, 9.17- Illinois

Roche- 1.57, 9.24 (next year, 9.11- Iowa (where he was their top finihser in nationals this year)

Janulis- 1.55- Illinois

Hobbes- 1.53,4.13 state champ in 800- Illinois (won big 10s)

The xc split that year was 28 seconds, I believe. Too lazy to look it up.

This year also had a good team- they won state with 6 in the top 26 and without 2 of their top runners, who were booted from the team.

Mead and York are to me the two great teams in history. I don't know how to call one better than the other, different times and different courses.

1993 Mead HS. These guys were unbelievable tallent and a stacked team. I ran against these men in HS and then were their team mate in College. These guys were sick.

Matt Davis

Micah Davis

Sky Ditrey

Greg James

Rob Aubrey

All five stepped into a D1 school as 18 year old freshmen and were INSTANT impacts in the Pac 10 (Sky Ditrey in the Big Sky conference). Matt Davis placed 11th? his frosh year in NCAA cross country (his career was riddled with injuries) and I believe all were under 4:13 for the 1,600 in HS. FIVE GUYS ALL UNDER 4:13 IN THE 1,600 ON THE SAME TEAM IN HS. Plus in State CC they took 1,2,3,?,? scored something like 27 points. They freakin beat the whole state. In state track, I think they took both first and second place honors in the 800, 1,600 and 3,200 (all without their number one runner Matt Davis. Can hardly even count how many all americans these guys wracked up in college.

P.S. I once ran a 3:55 as a Junior in the 1,500 meter in HS and took 5th. FOUR OF THESE GUYS BEAT ME IN THAT RACE. I felt pretty pathetic.

Laguna Beach. I was on that team.

North Hunterdon, NJ 1983

Andy Martin

Brad Hudson

Bill Babcock

I know they had one other runner who ran 31:50 for 10k on the track but I'm guessing they were not as solid at number 4 or someone would have brought this team up by now.

No 5th Man wrote:

North Hunterdon, NJ 1983

Andy Martin

Brad Hudson

Bill Babcock

I know they had one other runner who ran 31:50 for 10k on the track but I'm guessing they were not as solid at number 4 or someone would have brought this team up by now.

4th man was Gavin Sloane, a very good runner himself. The 5th sucked - and b/c of that they wound up losing a couple of meets, including one on a 6th-man tie breaker.

They were good, but not great, simply because the top 3 usually couldn't do much better than 1, 2, 3. They ran some absurd times, but winning by a minute didn't help their scoring any more than winning by 5 seconds.

OK- Finally here we go.

Mead Outlook 1993- (Does not include the faster times that Juniors Micah Davis & Skiy Detray ran as seniors)

1st man

Matt Davis -

XC-

State Champion (3rd time) X-C in 14:09 – 3M

Footlocker West Region Champion – 14:53 (One of all time fastest) – 5K

Footlocker Nationals – 3rd Place to Goucher & Keflezhigi (Injured for 4.5 weeks coming in to this race and 3.5 weeks coming into the regional race). He literally only ran a few times between his state meet and the regional race (4 week gap).

1600 meter time trial @ Mead High school (approx 2,500 ft. elevation) 4:09 (unofficial HS p.r.) one week before state xc meet.

Track-

(P.Rs from Junior year as he was injured Senior Year)

800 – 1:53

1600 – 4:10 ( At State meet – champion)

3200 – 9:04 ( At State meet – champion by 13 seconds!)

Also ran 9:06 at Arcadia after falling on his knees (trip up with Keino) with 300m to go.

2nd-3rd man

Micah Davis -

XC-

2nd at State meet – 14:46 – 3M

8th at Footlocker Western Regionals – 15:11 – 5K

10th at Footlocker Nationals

Ran majority of season as 3rd man but came on at the end.

Track-

800 – 1:54.9

1600 – District Champ, 4th at State, 4:12.7

3200 – District Champ, State Runner up, 9:07.8

2nd-3rd man

Rob Aubrey

XC-

3rd at State meet – 14:48 – 3M

16th at Footlocker Western Regional – 15:27 – 5K

Ran majority of season as 2nd man but ran as 3rd at the end.

Track-

800 – 1:55.0

1600 – District, Regional & State Runner up – 4:11.1

3200 – State Champ – 9:07.7

4th man

Greg James

XC-

8th at State meet – 15:13 – 3M

Footlocker Western Regionals – 4th man – 15:42 – 5K

*Note-

Spokane schools held 3200 time trial in November (COLD!) for all attending (except injured Matt Davis) Foolocker Regionals. James won in 9:17, dusting 5 other 9:11 or better 3200 meter runners (Aubrey, Micah Davis, Skiy Detray (9:06), Cameran Copher (Ferris High (9:05)), Zach Ventress (Ferris High (9:11)).

Track-

800 – State Runner up 1:53.8

1600 – State Champ 4:10.0

5th man

Skiy Detray

XC-

Bombed and ran 15:48 – 3M

Footlocker Regionals – 15:58 5K

*Note

Detray was a Foolocker finalist the following year.

Track-

800 – 1:57

1600 – Approx 4:13 (Conversion from 3:55.9 1500m race in Oregon)

3200 – Distict & Regional Runner up, 3rd at State, 9:06.

*Note- that track season State Meet.

James 2nd at 800M

James, Aubrey, Micah Davis 1,2,4 respectively at 1600M

Aubrey, Micah Davis, DeTray 1,2,3 respectively at 3200M.

All done without number one runner and two time defending state champ for 1600 & 3200 Matt Davis.

1993 AAA BOYS STATE RESULTS

PLACE T.PL TIME RUNNER-YR-SCHOOL

1 1 14:09.3 Matthew Davis-12-Mead

2 2 14:46 Micah Davis-11-Mead

3 3 14:48 Rob Aubrey-12-Mead

4 4 15:05 Andy Clark-11-Decatur

5 IND 15:07 Paul Turner-12-Kentwood*

6 5 15:08 Mike Sherfinski-12-Decatur

7 IND 15:12 Casey LaFran-12-John Rogers(Spok)*

8 6 15:13 Greg James-12-Mead

9 IND 15:15 Jon Wilson-12-Central Valley*

10 IND 15:16 Wes Arnett-11-Shorewood*

11 7 15:19 Cameron Copher-11-Joel Ferris

12 8 15:21 Zack Ventress-11-Joel Ferris

13 IND 15:21 Eric Delfel-12-Eisenhower*

14 9 15:24 Kris Roof-11-Issaquah

15 10 15:26 Matt Cooper-12-Curtis

16 11 15:27 Kyle Delahunt-12-Kennewick

17 12 15:28 David Schroedel-10-Stadium

18 13 15:28 Pat Ernsberger-12-Kennewick

19 14 15:29 John Anguiano-12-Richland

20 15 15:29 John Hedengren-11-Richland

21 IND 15:31 Scott Paul-11-Eastlake(Redmond)*

22 IND 15:35 Andy Bruno-12-Walla Walla*

23 16 15:36 Scott Kelly-12-Newport(Bellevue)

24 17 15:39 Mike Reeder-12-Kennewick

25 IND 15:40 Steve Glass-11-Cascade(Everett)*

26 IND 15:40 Andy Bestwick-12-Redmond*

27 18 15:42 Matt Buckner-11-Marysville-Pil.

28 19 15:43 Skiy DeTray-11-Mead

FootLocker West Regionals 1993

Woodward Park, CA - 5K

Five man total time course record.

1. Mead, Spokane, Wa 1993 77:22 National champions!

2. Thousand Oaks, 1993 Ranked #3 in U.S.

1. (1st Place) Matt Davis – 14:53

2. (8th Place) Micach Davis – 15:11

3. (16th Place) Rob Aubrey – 15:27

4. Greg James – 15:42

5. Skiy Detray – 15:58

*Note – West Region took 5 of the top ten at Nationals with Micah Davis (8th at regionals) getting 10th! Guys like Nathan Nutter (Stanford NCAA champion 10K, 11th at Footlocker Regionals) & Jason Balkman (Stanford, Multi-time All American Cross & Track, 15th at Footlocker Regionals) couldn’t even qualify! Aubrey may have qualified in any other region that year.

Also, Matt Davis stomped the regional field after 3.5 weeks of no workouts and only a couple runs. He got injured doing a fartlek with Aubrey 4 days after their state meet. He warmed up for regionals, won, and couldn’t even cool down. He didn’t run again until he warmed up for Footlocker nationals, where he got third to only Goucher and Keflezighi after doing a lot of leading early and running with a limp in the last half mile! This guy was off the hook!!! Still beat Brad Hauser and Keino

Footlocker National 1993 – Balboa Park San Diego

Boys' 5,000 Meters

1] Adam Goucher Colo. Springs, CO 14:41

2] Mebrahtom Keflezighi San Diego, CA 14:53

3] Matthew Davis Mead, WA 15:08

4] Brad Hauser Kingwood, TX 15:09

5] Bob Keino Ridgewood, NJ 15:09

6] Brandon Leslie Gallup, NM 15:11

7] Doug Bockenstette Cincinnati, OH 15:17

8] Matthew Downin Hampstead, NH 15:21

9] Matthew Farley Sacramento, CA 15:23

10] Micah Davis Mead, WA 15:24

And if you think this was some fluke season, check out what the top four did in college (All together at Oregon!!)

The mead top 4, in college at Oregon!

1998 Pac-10 Conference Results

1 116 ABDIRAHMAN ABDI UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA 23:23

2 200 LAGAT BERNARD WASHINGTON STATE UNIVERSITY 23:33

3 144 DAVIS MATT UNIVERSITY OF OREGON 23:37

4 46 HAUSER BRAD STANFORD UNIVERSITY 23:41

5 97 HAUSER MARK UCLA 23:51

6 53 RILEY JONATHAN STANFORD UNIVERSITY 24:00

7 146 FEIN STEVE UNIVERSITY OF OREGON 24:01

8 47 HAUSER BRENT STANFORD UNIVERSITY 24:12

9 41 BALKMAN JASON STANFORD UNIVERSITY 24:12

10 118 JONES MICHEIL UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA 24:13

11 145 DAVIS MICAH UNIVERSITY OF OREGON 24:15

12 176 BELZ CHRISTIAN WASHINGTON 24:18

13 140 AUBREY ROB UNIVERSITY OF OREGON 24:21

14 17 CHAVIRA JUAN ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY 24:24

15 19 FESTA ISAIAH ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY 24:24

16 148 JAMES GREG UNIVERSITY OF OREGON 24:25

17 150 NEHRING LINCOLN UNIVERSITY OF OREGON 24:27

18 69 ASMEROM BOLOTA U. OF CALIFORNIA, BERKELEY 24:27

19 142 BLISS ANDREW UNIVERSITY OF OREGON 24:29

20 14 BIZUNEH FASIL ARIZONA STATE UNIVERSITY 24:29

1. STANFORD UNIVERSITY

4 6 8 9 21 (22) (44) = 48

HAUSER BRAD, RILEY JONATHAN, HAUSER BRENT, BALKMAN JASON, WELDON JON, MAAS JACOB, JENNINGS GABRIEL

2. UNIVERSITY OF OREGON

3 7 11 13 16 (17) (19) = 50

DAVIS MATT, FEIN STEVE, DAVIS MICAH, AUBREY ROB, JAMES GREG, NEHRING LINCOLN, BLISS ANDREW

Same year-

Pre- Nationals

Matt Davis 8th

Rob Aubrey 19th

Micah Davis 24t

Western Regionals

Matt Davis – 5th

Rob Aubrey – 9th

Micah Davis – 13th

Big Cross Invitational (Pasco, WA) All Time List

MENS ALL TIME BIG CROSS LEADERS

ADAM GOUCHER 23:54 COLORADO-95 MEB KEFLEZIGHI 23:58 UCLA-95 BERNARD LAGAT 24:17 WSU-97 JOSEPH KAPKORY 24:22 WSU-93 CHRIS NICOLSEN 24:23 OK ST-96 GEORGE LUCAIDES 24:29 WSU-95 ULI STEIDL 24:31 PORTLAND-96 MATT DAVIS 24:32 OREGON-98 ALAN CULPEPPER 24:32 COLORADO-95 ERIC KAMAU 24:36 WSU-96 ROB AUBREY 24:36 OREGON-98 SIMON BAINES 24:37 WASHINGTON-93 DAVID BAZZI 24:39 WASHINGTON-98 MIKE MAHONEY 24:39 PORTLAND ST-95 RENE CARLSON 24:39 OK ST-96 KELLY LAMBERT 24:41 ……. RYAN GROTE 24:46 PORTLAND-96 CHUCK SLOAN 24:48 OK ST-98 ANDY MARTIN 24:50 PORTLAND-96 JON MURRAY 24:50 WSU-97 ERIK ANDERSON 24:54 UNATTACHED-98 RASTO KIPLANGAT 24:55 WSU-96 TODD DAVIS 24:56 PORTLAND-96 PAT MATURI 24:58 WSU-93 LYLE WEESE 25:00 MONTANA STATE-00 NATHAN KENNEDY 25:02 WEBER ST-95 BRAD TREAT 25:03 WSU-97 JOHN RUSSELL 25:05 WASHINGTON-00 IAN SOLOF 25:07 UNATTACHED-00 JODY BENSON 25:07 S. UTAH-97 MICAH DAVIS 25:07 OREGON-98

Oregon NCAA Championships Finishers

1994 *31-Matthew Davis

1995 *15-Matthew Davis,

1996 *5-Matthew Davis, 57-Greg James,

1997 49-Rob Aubrey, 86-Micah Davis, 90-Greg James

1998 45-Matthew Davis, 90-Rob Aubrey, 92-Micah Davis, 140-Greg James

That's about all I could find, but there was a lot more I could not.

Jesus, anyone have results like that for York?

Already been pointed out but you do mean Greatest US team as St. Patricks could run a freshmen team and beat anyone mentioned here so far.

Hacker was better than Davis #1

Stinzi was better than Davis #2

Hacker was better than #3

Meads 4 and 5 guys were better though.

"Hacker was better than Davis #1

Stinzi was better than Davis #2

Hacker was better than #3

Meads 4 and 5 guys were better though"

Were they running 3 miles? Cause, Davis, Davis & Aubrey seem faster over 3.

How about their track times?

It's bold to say Hacker was better than Matt Davis if you read what was put up here on Matt's accomplishments.

drrr... it would be easier to win a race on your own... seeing as how they add up the top 5... i wish i could run all races alone... i'd have the lowest score every time!

Nice work on the Mead stats. Certainly some impressive running from those guys.

But, before most of you were born, people did run and some ran damn fast. As "no one" already stated, Lompoc (when Schankel was a junior) is tops. Everyone else is mere honorable mention. The inherent presumption is that we are confining ourselves to US high schools.