• Catalonia
      • RE: What happened to the Frazier sisters at NC State? 11/12/2017 8:31AM - in reply to Packer
      • Catalonia
      • Burned out in HS from their coach.
        These girls frequently doubled and tripled in meets.
        Unfortunate.
        Happens all too often.
    • Frazierzzzs
      • RE: What happened to the Frazier sisters at NC State? 11/12/2017 9:06AM - in reply to Packer
      • Frazierzzzs
      • Last time I checked Ryen was the NC State women’s 5th runner and Wesley hasn’t been racing this season. I believe Wesley ran close to a 9 flat 3k during the indoor season but it seems like she disappeared after that. Too bad, such talents. Strange to think about how Ryen won the Notre Dame invite two years ago and now she’s only her team’s 5th runner, at least she’s still contributing I guess.
    • Fact check x
      • RE: What happened to the Frazier sisters at NC State? 11/12/2017 9:11AM - in reply to Frazierzzzs
      • Fact check x
      • Wait I was wrong Wesley ran the fast 3k two winter’s ago. But she did finish 47th at NCAAs last year, I believe she was coming off injury then. If she could get in a good block of training she’d easily be an All-American.
    • Ivanka's leadership
      • RE: What happened to the Frazier sisters at NC State? 11/12/2017 9:25AM - in reply to Fact check x
      • Ivanka's leadership
      • Weren't they the ones who were low mileage and their father was still going to coach them at NC St.?

        High intensity, low mileage didn't lead to steady long term improvement? Really?
    • YMMV
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      • RE: What happened to the Frazier sisters at NC State? 11/12/2017 9:31AM - in reply to Ivanka's leadership
      • YMMV
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      • Ivanka's leadership wrote:

        Weren't they the ones who were low mileage and their father was still going to coach them at NC St.?

        High intensity, low mileage didn't lead to steady long term improvement? Really?

        Yes, I recall them reportedly doing "tempo" runs in the 5:10-5:20 range, essentially racing on an almost daily basis. The same approach that was "make and break" for Kim Mortensen.
    • Face Farter
      • RE: What happened to the Frazier sisters at NC State? 11/12/2017 9:33AM - in reply to YMMV
      • Face Farter
      • YMMV wrote:

        Ivanka's leadership wrote:

        Weren't they the ones who were low mileage and their father was still going to coach them at NC St.?

        High intensity, low mileage didn't lead to steady long term improvement? Really?

        Yes, I recall them reportedly doing "tempo" runs in the 5:10-5:20 range, essentially racing on an almost daily basis. The same approach that was "make and break" for Kim Mortensen.

        We’re not pretending that this is why Kim Mortensen didn’t have long term success, are we?
    • Youreright
      • RE: What happened to the Frazier sisters at NC State? 11/12/2017 3:21PM - in reply to Face Farter
      • Youreright
      • Daddy won't leave the program alone and is always around. Not sure why they allow this. Parents shouldn't be involved.... regardless, the digression of those two has been hard to watch. Something clearly isn't working.
    • YMMV
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      • RE: What happened to the Frazier sisters at NC State? 11/12/2017 3:27PM - in reply to Face Farter
      • YMMV
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      • Face Farter wrote:

        YMMV wrote:

        Ivanka's leadership wrote:

        Weren't they the ones who were low mileage and their father was still going to coach them at NC St.?

        High intensity, low mileage didn't lead to steady long term improvement? Really?

        Yes, I recall them reportedly doing "tempo" runs in the 5:10-5:20 range, essentially racing on an almost daily basis. The same approach that was "make and break" for Kim Mortensen.

        We’re not pretending that this is why Kim Mortensen didn’t have long term success, are we?

        Let's just say that a couple of non-sustainable things were going on with her.
    • Jak cok
      • RE: What happened to the Frazier sisters at NC State? 11/14/2017 3:33PM - in reply to Packer
      • Jak cok
      • burn outs.
        their running careers are over. Thanks to their dad
    • Daddy deRest
      • RE: What happened to the Frazier sisters at NC State? 11/14/2017 4:25PM - in reply to Jak cok
      • Daddy deRest
      • Dad made them in HS and then couldn’t stay away from Duke/NC STate. NC State let him coach them with separate practices even, but ultimately fizzled out.
    • Coach Daddy
      • RE: What happened to the Frazier sisters at NC State? 11/14/2017 6:09PM - in reply to Youreright
      • Coach Daddy
      • If he is not a countable coach on the NC State coaching staff then how is this permissible with the NCAA?
    • fred
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      • RE: What happened to the Frazier sisters at NC State? 11/14/2017 6:18PM - in reply to Coach Daddy
      • fred
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      • Ryen Frazier

        •Began outdoor season with a fourth-place finish in the 5K at the Raleigh Relays, crossing the line at 16:02.39
    • heavy meddle
      • RE: What happened to the Frazier sisters at NC State? 11/14/2017 6:21PM - in reply to fred
      • heavy meddle
      • Yea, then what happened? And since?
    • provlw
      • RE: What happened to the Frazier sisters at NC State? 11/14/2017 8:12PM - in reply to Packer
      • provlw
      • Just when you think they have disappeared, they seem to re-emerge.
    • dsrunner
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      • RE: What happened to the Frazier sisters at NC State? 11/14/2017 8:27PM - in reply to Ivanka's leadership
      • dsrunner
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      • Your thinking is flawed.

        Runners can make training errors and experience injury / setbacks and burnout with high, low or moderate mileage.

        The limiting factor for the Frazier sisters is far more likely to be speed side capability than training volume, and NCAA competition is also far more demanding than HS, with few easy races.

        As a woman moves up in the national rankings in the 1500 or 3000, it becomes important to have something close to 1:59 - 2:02 800 capability.
    • Hugely
      • RE: What happened to the Frazier sisters at NC State? 11/14/2017 11:22PM - in reply to dsrunner
      • Hugely
      • dsrunner wrote:

        Your thinking is flawed.

        Runners can make training errors and experience injury / setbacks and burnout with high, low or moderate mileage.

        The limiting factor for the Frazier sisters is far more likely to be speed side capability than training volume, and NCAA competition is also far more demanding than HS, with few easy races.

        As a woman moves up in the national rankings in the 1500 or 3000, it becomes important to have something close to 1:59 - 2:02 800 capability.

        In high school, Wesley had a devastating kick. Sad to see the talent flounder.

        https://www.letsrun.com/news/20...day-three/
    • DRealist...
      • RE: What happened to the Frazier sisters at NC State? 11/16/2017 7:32PM - in reply to Packer
      • DRealist...
      • All the running they did as kids delayed puberty, Puberty eventually kicked in and now they are f*cked. Same with Sarah Baxter, Mary Cain, etc. Some people are still good after the "change" (Rohrer) some aren't
    • pro gress
      • RE: What happened to the Frazier sisters at NC State? 11/16/2017 7:44PM - in reply to DRealist...
      • pro gress
      • Not only that, they pushed it too hard while they were still growing and developing. Too much stress too soon, too impatient, Dad wanted it all then, he got it and cost them their future. Nice.