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    • Twenny Seven
      • How fast are the sub 27 10k guys at full thon?? 4/20/2017 4:40PM
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      • RE: How fast are the sub 27 10k guys at full thon?? 4/20/2017 4:54PM - in reply to Twenny Seven
      • Hog
      • A pretty good estimate is to add 3 minutes to your 10k and use that pace for the marathon, so 4X30 = 2 hours for 40K + 2K to go in about 6-7 minutes
    • Silky Johnson
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      • RE: How fast are the sub 27 10k guys at full thon?? 4/20/2017 8:33PM - in reply to Twenny Seven
      • Silky Johnson
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      • Depends on the runner. Someone who races well at 1500/5k will probably be slower than a 10k specialist with the same PR. Think Alan Webb vs. Ryan Hall in their primes (Wow, that is sad to write). On average, though, I'd say 2:06-2:09 under ideal conditions and assuming no extra marathon training. Give them time to prepare for it though and that will drop. You see more young guys moving to the marathon right away now because there's more $ in it.
    • once a faster runner
      • RE: How fast are the sub 27 10k guys at full thon?? 4/20/2017 8:56PM - in reply to Twenny Seven
      • once a faster runner
      • I just looked up the ten fastest Marathoners, all-time on IAAF site. Four of ten have sub-27:00 10000m PB. All of top ten are sub-28:45 10000m runners.

        The four: Kenenisa Bekele, Eliud Kipchoge, Haile Gebrselassie & Tamirat Tola.

        We can state: racing a sub-2:05 Marathon, it is not necessary to have sub-27:00 10000m speed.
    • lolllzz
      • RE: How fast are the sub 27 10k guys at full thon?? 4/20/2017 9:16PM - in reply to once a faster runner
      • lolllzz
      • once a faster runner wrote:
        I just looked up the ten fastest Marathoners, all-time on IAAF site. Four of ten have sub-27:00 10000m PB. All of top ten are sub-28:45 10000m runners.

        The four: Kenenisa Bekele, Eliud Kipchoge, Haile Gebrselassie & Tamirat Tola.

        We can state: racing a sub-2:05 Marathon, it is not necessary to have sub-27:00 10000m speed.
        Not necessarily true. It could easily be the case that each of those 6 who didn't go sub-27 were not training for the 10,000 when they raced it. If training properly, they may also be capable of sub-27 (or previously capable in their most prime years). Some could have also recorded their technical 10,000m PR before they were fully trained, but never bothered to race it again, or not on the track, when they reached peak fitness, as the marathon would be more lucrative.
    • once a faster runner
      • RE: How fast are the sub 27 10k guys at full thon?? 4/20/2017 9:46PM - in reply to lolllzz
      • once a faster runner
      • Marathon is a long way away from 10000m. As you know, some Marathoners just are not relatively fast. I know a 2:11+ Marathoner who never broke 55 for 440 yards (obviously an older guy). Some Marathoners average fairly close to their 10000m PB for Marathon.
    • Ihhihi
      • RE: How fast are the sub 27 10k guys at full thon?? 4/21/2017 4:33AM - in reply to once a faster runner
      • Ihhihi
      • once a faster runner wrote:
        Marathon is a long way away from 10000m. As you know, some Marathoners just are not relatively fast. I know a 2:11+ Marathoner who never broke 55 for 440 yards (obviously an older guy). Some Marathoners average fairly close to their 10000m PB for Marathon.
        I don't think you read his post. Part of what he is saying is that their 10000m PB may not be their true 10000 ability.
    • TrackBot
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      • RE: How fast are the sub 27 10k guys at full thon?? 4/21/2017 5:00AM - in reply to ddfun
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      • VDOT for 27:00 10could not determine unit: -4.8
        Equivalent race times based on VDOT:

        Marathon: -6486334540243713024:-1:44
        Half marathon: 00:01:17
        15K: 00:01:17
        10K: 00:01:17
        5K: 00:01:17
        3Mi: 00:01:17
        2Mi: 00:01:17
        3200m: 00:01:17
        3K: 00:01:17
        1Mi: 00:01:17
        1600m: 00:01:17
        1500m: 00:01:17


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    • TrackBot
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      • RE: How fast are the sub 27 10k guys at full thon?? 4/21/2017 5:05AM - in reply to nice trial
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      • VDOT for 27:00 10.0km: 82.5
        Equivalent race times based on VDOT:

        Marathon: 02:04:14
        Half marathon: 00:59:17
        15K: 00:41:18
        10K: 00:26:58
        5K: 00:12:57
        3Mi: 00:12:28
        2Mi: 00:08:01
        3200m: 00:07:58
        3K: 00:07:26
        1Mi: 00:03:45
        1600m: 00:03:44
        1500m: 00:03:29


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    • Five by 18
      • RE: How fast are the sub 27 10k guys at full thon?? 4/21/2017 6:02AM - in reply to Twenny Seven
      • Five by 18
      • What sort of workouts would sub 27 guys need to prepare for a full thon?
    • E. Bonix
      • RE: How fast are the sub 27 10k guys at full thon?? 4/21/2017 8:25AM - in reply to Five by 18
      • E. Bonix
      • Five by 18 wrote:
        What sort of workouts would sub 27 guys need to prepare for a full thon?
        Omitting 4 letters ( m a r a ) musta saved you several minutes as you banged out that question, eh?
    • calculo
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      • RE: How fast are the sub 27 10k guys at full thon?? 4/21/2017 9:50AM - in reply to TrackBot
      • calculo
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      • TrackBot wrote:
        VDOT for 27:00 10.0km: 82.5
        Equivalent race times based on VDOT:

        Marathon: 02:04:14
        Half marathon: 00:59:17
        15K: 00:41:18
        10K: 00:26:58
        5K: 00:12:57
        3Mi: 00:12:28
        2Mi: 00:08:01
        3200m: 00:07:58
        3K: 00:07:26
        1Mi: 00:03:45
        1600m: 00:03:44
        1500m: 00:03:29


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        surprisingly good numbers

        from a "mathematical" equivalence, i get 27-flat as

        59'12
        2"04'57
    • sc runner
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      • RE: How fast are the sub 27 10k guys at full thon?? 4/21/2017 10:24AM - in reply to Twenny Seven
      • sc runner
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      • It depends. Some like Bekele and Kipchoge are VERY fast in the marathon. Others, like Tadesse and Rupp, are much slower (still much faster than us average joes) than their 10k prs would make you think.
    • Sadmoji
      • RE: How fast are the sub 27 10k guys at full thon?? 4/21/2017 10:50AM - in reply to Silky Johnson
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      • Silky Johnson wrote:
        Think Alan Webb vs. Ryan Hall in their primes (Wow, that is sad to write).
        +1
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      • RE: How fast are the sub 27 10k guys at full thon?? 4/21/2017 2:15PM - in reply to Illinoisphotographer
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      • VDOT for 31:48 10.0km: 68
        Equivalent race times based on VDOT:

        Marathon: 02:26:43
        Half marathon: 01:10:04
        15K: 00:48:43
        10K: 00:31:46
        5K: 00:15:17
        3Mi: 00:14:44
        2Mi: 00:09:30
        3200m: 00:09:26
        3K: 00:08:48
        1Mi: 00:04:26
        1600m: 00:04:25
        1500m: 00:04:07


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