• Does this mess up
      • How many coaches mess up athletes with even pace running? 1/27/2017 1:01PM
      • Does this mess up
      • Start out in the back and plod along instead of going out in the front and trying to win? A lot of newcomers taught to pace instead of compete. I'll bet the number would shock you.
    • In Chief
      • RE: How many coaches mess up athletes with even pace running? 1/27/2017 1:06PM - in reply to Does this mess up
      • In Chief
      • 0/10

        Your trolling is a disgrace.
    • Jimmy21
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      • RE: How many coaches mess up athletes with even pace running? 1/27/2017 8:44PM - in reply to Does this mess up
      • Jimmy21
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      • Does this mess up wrote:
        Start out in the back and plod along instead of going out in the front and trying to win? A lot of newcomers taught to pace instead of compete. I'll bet the number would shock you.
        I was taught the opposite. I had horrible coaching. Whatever we ran for the first meet would determine if she would yell that we were up or down on our splits for the rest of the season. Knowing nothing about pacing, the first lap would be by FAR the fastest. Towards the end of my freshman season, I told her I wanted to try going out slower and even pacing. Every time i passed her, she yelled that I was WAY down and needed to really pick it up. I PR'd by like 30 seconds in that 3k race. She said something like "imagine how much more time you could have taken off if you didn't try that stunt."
    • tortoise v hare
      • RE: How many coaches mess up athletes with even pace running? 1/27/2017 9:12PM - in reply to Does this mess up
      • tortoise v hare
      • Does this mess up wrote:
        Start out in the back and plod along instead of going out in the front and trying to win? A lot of newcomers taught to pace instead of compete. I'll bet the number would shock you.
        Trackbot! Compare Nick Symmonds vs Duane Solomon
    • TrackBot
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      • RE: How many coaches mess up athletes with even pace running? 1/27/2017 9:15PM - in reply to tortoise v hare
      • TrackBot
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      • Head-to-head record between Nick Symmonds (left) and Duane Solomon (right):

        MSR Walnut CA 2006-04-15: 800 m: 1:48.97 (1) VS 1:52.12 (6)
        NC Indianapolis IN 2006-06-25: 800 m: 1:45.83 (2) VS 1:47.54 (7)
        NC Indianapolis IN 2007-06-24: 800 m: 1:45.17 (2) VS 1:45.69 (3)
        NC Eugene OR 2008-06-30: 800 m: 1:44.10 (1) VS 1:45.78 (6)
        NC Albuquerque NM 2010-02-28: 800 m: 1:48.10A (1) VS 1:48.41A (2)
        NC Des Moines IA 2010-06-27: 800 m: 1:45.98 (1) VS 1:47.16 (2)
        Pre Eugene OR 2010-07-03: 1000 m: 2:16.35 (3) VS 2:17.84 (5)
        OT Eugene OR 2012-06-25: 800 m: 1:43.92 (1) VS 1:44.65 (3)
        Herc Monaco 2012-07-20: 800 m: 1:43.78 (5) VS 1:43.44 (3)
        OG London 2012-08-09: 800 m: 1:42.95 (5) VS 1:42.82 (4)
        Millrose New York NY 2013-02-16: 600 m: 1:16.89 (4) VS 1:16.04 (2)
        Pre Eugene OR 2013-06-01: 800 m: 1:45.40 (3) VS 1:45.67 (6)
        NC Des Moines IA 2013-06-23: 800 m: 1:43.70 (2) VS 1:43.27 (1)
        Classic Edmonton 2013-06-29: 800 m: 1:44.86 (1) VS 1:44.91 (2)
        Sainsbury's London 2013-07-26: 800 m: 1:43.67 (1) VS 1:44.12 (2)
        WC Moskva 2013-08-13: 800 m: 1:43.55 (2) VS 1:44.42 (6)
        WK Zürich 2013-08-29: 800 m: 1:43.56 (1) VS 1:44.49 (4)
        VD Bruxelles 2013-09-06: 800 m: 1:43.03 (2) VS 1:44.36 (5)
        NC Eugene OR 2015-06-28: 800 m: 1:44.53 (1) VS 3:08.74 (8)
        Classic Edmonton 2015-07-12: 800 m: 1:47.53 (5) VS 1:46.13 (1)

        Nick "MF" Symmonds total wins: 15
        Duane "DEVASTATED" Solomon total wins: 5

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    • WhatBridgeIsThat?
      • RE: How many coaches mess up athletes with even pace running? 1/29/2017 1:25AM - in reply to TrackBot
      • WhatBridgeIsThat?
      • Trackbot! Compare Matthew Centrowitz vs Robby Andrews
    • TrackBot
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      • RE: How many coaches mess up athletes with even pace running? 1/29/2017 1:30AM - in reply to WhatBridgeIsThat?
      • TrackBot
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      • Head-to-head record between Matthew Centrowitz (left) and Robby Andrews (right):

        OT Eugene OR 2012-07-01: 1500 m: 3:35.84 (2) VS 3:37.45 (5)
        Millrose New York NY 2013-02-16: One Mile: 3:51.34 (2) VS DNF (0)
        NC Albuquerque NM 2013-03-03: 800 m: 1:47.82A (4) VS 1:47.13A (2)
        adidas New York NY 2015-06-13: 800 m: 1:44.62 (4) VS 1:45.98 (6)
        NC Eugene OR 2015-06-27: 1500 m: 3:37.25 (1) VS 3:38.75 (2)
        Bauhaus Stockholm 2015-07-30: 1500 m: 3:39.29 (11) VS 3:35.52 (5)
        WC Beijing 2015-08-30: 1500 m: 3:36.13 (8) VS 3:38.29 (11)
        Millrose New York NY 2016-02-20: One Mile: 3:50.63 (1) VS 3:53.16 (4)
        NC Portland OR 2016-03-12: 1500 m: 3:44.33 (1) VS 3:44.40 (2)
        WC Portland OR 2016-03-20: 1500 m: 3:44.22 (1) VS 3:44.77 (4)
        NC Eugene OR 2016-07-10: 1500 m: 3:34.09 (1) VS 3:34.88 (2)
        New York NY 2016-09-03: Mile, road: 3:49:50.0h (2) VS 4:02:50.0h (19)

        Matthew "MF" Centrowitz total wins: 10
        Robby "DEVASTATED" Andrews total wins: 2

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    • TrackBot
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      • RE: How many coaches mess up athletes with even pace running? 1/29/2017 6:39AM - in reply to Slow man
      • TrackBot
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      • VDOT for 17:07 5km: 59.7
        Equivalent race times based on VDOT:

        Marathon: 02:44:04
        Half marathon: 01:18:29
        15K: 00:54:32
        10K: 00:35:30
        5K: 00:17:07
        3Mi: 00:16:29
        2Mi: 00:10:40
        3200m: 00:10:36
        3K: 00:09:52
        1Mi: 00:04:59
        1600m: 00:04:57
        1500m: 00:04:37


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    • easy loper
      • RE: How many coaches mess up athletes with even pace running? 1/29/2017 7:02AM - in reply to Jimmy21
      • easy loper
      • Jimmy21 wrote:
        Does this mess up wrote:
        Start out in the back and plod along instead of going out in the front and trying to win? A lot of newcomers taught to pace instead of compete. I'll bet the number would shock you.
        I was taught the opposite. I had horrible coaching. Whatever we ran for the first meet would determine if she would yell that we were up or down on our splits for the rest of the season. Knowing nothing about pacing, the first lap would be by FAR the fastest. Towards the end of my freshman season, I told her I wanted to try going out slower and even pacing. Every time i passed her, she yelled that I was WAY down and needed to really pick it up. I PR'd by like 30 seconds in that 3k race. She said something like "imagine how much more time you could have taken off if you didn't try that stunt."
        What Jimmy21 went through is what I experienced. Some coaches have won doing things a certain way and cannot be convinced that it might be wise to listen to their kids. In addition they are not open to new ideas.

        Then again maybe neither one these coaches ever ran. In any case
        if you are going to go out hard, or easy, you had better train specifically for that strategy.

        It might not work very well to finish fast if you are not doing it in practice. It might not work well to start out fast if you are not going out fast in practice!

        The biggest mistake of all might be to avoid talking to your coach. He or might know more than you think. Explain to him or her why you believe as you do. If they listen and try to help great. If they don't then you must go ahead and run your race. It sounds like you know yourself better than the coach but a mutual approach might work even better!

        Your mental state is more important than the physical. Please remember that, as you do not want extra burdens like having a coach who you disagree with.