• Gggghhhhhhhhhh
      • RE: Grant Fisher may be the next Ches 10/30/2016 4:23PM - in reply to jjjjjj
      • Gggghhhhhhhhhh
      • Can Choge step it up a little in the next few weeks and become the next Ches? Kibichiy has beaten Choge twice earlier this year, but a little improvement may see Choge ahead of Ches in a few weeks. He's the only freshman that is anywhere close. Of course this improvement in the next month is unlikely, but possible.

        jjjjjj wrote:
        The guy who will inherit Cheserek's mantle as the best in the NCAA is probably Kenyan and may not have entered the NCAA yet. But I'd like to see an American winning for a few years, rather than one of dozens or maybe even hundreds of Kenyans who could do it if they were here instead of running the roads or track professionally.
    • What might have been for U
      • RE: Grant Fisher may be the next Ches 10/30/2016 8:02PM - in reply to they call me flopro
      • What might have been for U
      • they call me flopro wrote:
        Fisher might be decent but he went to Stanturd to waste his talents his loss
        You like Oregon and have it in for Stanford. We have heard that from you over and over again.
        Talent... Enviable talent gets one into Stanford.
        Don't you wish you had such talent?
        Think what your unremarkable running career and unremarkable degree from Oregon might have been elsewhere?
        Sure looks like Fisher is in the right place for him. His future is extremely bright. You may vote for him or work for him in the future so don't harsh on him now.
    • King of the kids
      • RE: Grant Fisher may be the next Ches 10/30/2016 8:34PM - in reply to bigtool05
      • King of the kids
      • bigtool05 wrote:
        Are you joking?[quote]King of the kids wrote:
        ..
        Are you joking? Jenkins ran 13:07 just a few weeks after getting his ass kicked by Ches at the NCAA champs. Did Jenkins suddenly gain a ton of fitness in that like 3 week period?

        Are you joking? Cheserek barely beat Jenkins. He couldn't beat Jenkins by any substantial margin in 2015. It was neck and neck.
        That was a slow damn race close to 14 minutes. You're telling me that based on that you think Cheserek can run the 5000 faster than Jenkins? I think no.
        When he does, please let know.

        Further, Jenkins has improved even more in 2016. Let me know when Cheserek runs a 3:49 mile. Somebody mentioned Cheserek over Jenkins from 800-10,000? Seriously??? Are you high?
    • Benjamins
      • RE: Grant Fisher may be the next Ches 10/30/2016 9:13PM - in reply to King of the kids
      • Benjamins
      • Jenkins could not have done that triple from indoors this year. Cheserek has always been Jenkins daddy, nothing has changed.
    • pfffft
      • RE: Grant Fisher may be the next Ches 10/30/2016 9:33PM - in reply to Benjamins
      • pfffft
      • Cheserek is a nobody. Beating up on kids and then getting trounced when stepping in with adults.
    • calling it now
      • RE: Grant Fisher may be the next Ches 10/31/2016 2:37PM - in reply to podcastfan
      • calling it now
      • podcastfan wrote:
        Kids was an amazing high school runner, finished second to Ches in Pac-12, and has recently been coming first among Stanford crew. Plus, he's a humble kid: http://www.flotrack.org/result...mpionships
        Justyn Knight smoked Fisher at Nuttycombe and will smoke him again at NCAAs. He's got to beat Knight before he can even dream about taking down Ches.

        Aren't Knight and Fisher both sophomores? Seems like a better comparison
    • Ignor anus
      • RE: Grant Fisher may be the next Ches 10/31/2016 2:39PM - in reply to Goat Curse
      • Ignor anus
      • Goat Curse wrote:
        MakeTrackGreatAgain wrote:
        Too bad Ches has won 4 PAC-12 XC championships, something not even Pre did. So no Fisher will not be the next Ches.
        Ches being closer to 30 years of age than 20 is one of the main reasons he's a tough act for anyone to follow.
        Prove that he's 30.
    • The Champeen
      • RE: Grant Fisher may be the next Ches 10/31/2016 2:46PM - in reply to Ignor anus
      • The Champeen
      • Ed is the greatest of all time in the NCAA. Fisher will never be grant-ed that title. So therefore he will not be the next Ches.
    • grampa ches
    • xccollegefan
      • RE: Grant Fisher may be the next Ches 10/31/2016 3:30PM - in reply to calling it now
      • xccollegefan
      • Knight came first, but he was less than three seconds faster than Fisher, so that's hardly "smoking" someone.

        MENS 8000 METER RUN
        PLACE ATHLETE TEAM RESULT POINTS
        1 Justyn Knight Syracuse University 23:53.10 1
        2 Futsum Zienasellassie Northern Arizona University 23:55.10 2
        3 Morgan Mcdonald University of Wisconsin 23:55.40 3
        4 Grant Fisher Stanford University 23:55.50 4
    • heh
      • RE: Grant Fisher may be the next Ches 10/31/2016 4:06PM - in reply to King of the kids
      • heh
      • King of the kids wrote:
        bigtool05 wrote:
        Are you joking?[quote]King of the kids wrote:
        ..
        Are you joking? Jenkins ran 13:07 just a few weeks after getting his ass kicked by Ches at the NCAA champs. Did Jenkins suddenly gain a ton of fitness in that like 3 week period?

        Are you joking? Cheserek barely beat Jenkins. He couldn't beat Jenkins by any substantial margin in 2015. It was neck and neck.
        That was a slow damn race close to 14 minutes. You're telling me that based on that you think Cheserek can run the 5000 faster than Jenkins? I think no.
        When he does, please let know.

        Further, Jenkins has improved even more in 2016. Let me know when Cheserek runs a 3:49 mile. Somebody mentioned Cheserek over Jenkins from 800-10,000? Seriously??? Are you high?
        Jenkins has beat Ches once ever and it truly seemed like Ches let him win ( I realize it was still a cocky thing to say)... Ches would beat him at any distance still
    • the Age Police
      • RE: Grant Fisher may be the next Ches 10/31/2016 4:06PM - in reply to Open your eyes
      • the Age Police
      • Open your eyes wrote:
        You are absolutely correct, Fisher did not outclass everyone his freshman year like Chezerek did. Maybe the fact that Fisher was 18 years old his freshman cross country season and indoor track season (which he redshirted) had something to do with that. When was the last time an eighteen year old male US distance runner dominate the NCAA ranks?
        Kenyan freshman seem to be able to. Perhaps they have an unfair advantage?
        Chezerek's age has been questioned for years. Not by a few disgruntled individuals but by many who take this sport seriously.
        His age discrepancy enabled him to win and set records through high school and college robbing those that were/are of legitimate age.
        Stop being a fool. Africans, in many sports, age cheat. Those that are fortunate to come to the USA for school make up for a variety of things by having their birth certificates falsified.
        OK, let us assume for the duration of this post that Chez is in his 30s. How is that cheating? What rule is being broken? No one needs a false birth certificate when a birth certificate is not required as proof of age. You don't have to be any particular age to participate in the NCAA. I am in my 50s and have all my eligibility. If I matriculate and keep a certain GPA at a member school, I am allowed to run. Why does this keep coming up? Kenyans, Mormons, these jokers who graduate from HS at 19 1/2? All are welcome until the NCAA makes a rule against being over some ceiling. Where do you think that should be? 25? 28? 20? Until the rule exists, please petition the NCAA to fix this problem. Until then, Chez is not an age cheat.
    • jjjjjj
    • TrackBot
      robot
      • RE: Grant Fisher may be the next Ches 10/31/2016 4:14PM - in reply to jjjjjj
      • TrackBot
        robot
      • Head-to-head record between Eric Jenkins (left) and Edward Cheserek (right):

        OregonR Eugene OR 2014-04-19: 5000 m: 13:46.80 (2) VS 13:46.77 (1)
        NCAA Eugene OR 2014-06-13: 5000 m: 13:27.41 (4) VS 13:18.71 (2)
        NCAA Terre Haute IN 2014-11-22: Cross Country 10.0 km: 30:24 (2) VS 30:20 (1)
        NCAA Fayetteville AR 2015-03-14: 3000 m: 7:58.81 (1) VS 7:59.42 (2)
        Stan Inv Stanford CA 2015-04-03: 10000 m: 29:04.08 (27) VS 29:04.06 (26)
        Pepsi Inv Eugene OR 2015-04-11: 5000 m: 14:00.74 (2) VS 14:00.72 (1)
        Pac 12 Westwood CA 2015-05-17: 5000 m: 13:45.33 (2) VS 13:45.25 (1)
        West Austin TX 2015-05-28: 10000 m: did not reach final (0) tie! VS did not reach final (0)
        NCAA Eugene OR 2015-06-10: 10000 m: 28:59.13 (2) VS 28:58.92 (1)
        NCAA Eugene OR 2015-06-12: 5000 m: 13:48.92 (2) VS 13:48.67 (1)
        Millrose New York NY 2016-02-20: 3000 m: 7:39.43 (3) VS 7:40.51 (6)

        Eric "DEVASTATED" Jenkins total wins: 2
        Edward "MF" Cheserek total wins: 8

        I am a bot. Info: http://habs.sdf.org/trackbot
    • Samuel DeChamplain
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    • jjjjjj
      • RE: Grant Fisher may be the next Ches 10/31/2016 4:25PM - in reply to TrackBot
      • jjjjjj
      • I believe that a number of these matches between Jenkins and Cheserek involved them trying to tie at the line, though by coincidence or Cheserek's intention, Cheserek won each of those by the barest margin.
        The Oregon Relays 5k saw them separated by .03s in 2014. They were separated by .02 at the Stanford Invite at 10k where they were just running a qualifying time way back, and the same at the Pepsi Invit in 2015 at 5000m (.02). At Pac 12 5000m, the margin was .08. At NCAA 2015 10000m, Ches took Jenkins offguard in sprinting at the end to win by .79 and he beat Jenkins by .25 at the 5000m that meet.
        The only substantial margins for Cheserek were NCAA 5000m (8.7 seconds) and NCAA XC champs (4 seconds) in 2014.
        Jenkins' two victories were not by leans, .61 at NCAA 3k in 2015 and 1.08s at Millrose in 2016. In other words, Jenkins wasn't much behind Cheserek and since then Jenkins has run substantially faster times at 3k, 5k, and mile (3:49 5th Ave. Mile).
    • calling it now
      • RE: Grant Fisher may be the next Ches 10/31/2016 7:36PM - in reply to xccollegefan
      • calling it now
      • 2.5 seconds inside of 200m - looks like he just sat and kicked. We shall see at NCAAs when Ches and Tierney make it a more honest pace throughout the race.
    • swerve
      registered
      • RE: Grant Fisher may be the next Ches 11/1/2016 6:46AM - in reply to podcastfan
      • swerve
        registered
      • podcastfan wrote:
        Fair point, but I'm talking more about who will inherit Ches' mantle -- as in win these meets -- once he graduates.
        So he'll be the next guy to win PAC 12s when Ches is gone, he won't be Ches. Was the guy who won Big Souths after Chelanga left the new Chelange? No, he was the new best guy in the conference.

        There will never be a new Cheserek. This thread is pointless.
    • FisherisaCanuck
      • RE: Grant Fisher may be the next Ches 11/1/2016 12:09PM - in reply to podcastfan
      • FisherisaCanuck
      • In 2020 when Fisher realizes it will be too hard to make the US Olympic team you think he'll come on up north to Canada?
        He was born in Canada and lived here for a little while.
        Could be a big 5000 team with Ahmed, Knight, Levins and Fisher all challenging for the 3 spots. Plus whoever else develops by then.