They have looked at training outside of the very tight box that distance runners have got themselves locked up in.
Canada Coach wrote:
My god. Has anyone improved as gradual as Rupp? If you are going to butcher him for a quick improvement, then everyone is fair game. He was fast in HS, a little faster in college and has progressed over many years now as a pro.
Look a little deeper at how they are training. Many of these things have been ignored (especially by North Americans) for years.
1. Increasing your weekly volume with extra non-running cardio training
2. Speed is very important for distance runners. This is something that will be questioned - especially from the (Lydiard / Cardio is the only important thing advocates.
3. Weight training - For years the aerobic first or aerobic only advocates have complained that so many runners are on steroids (which help with hypertrophy) yet can't figure out that strength training might be valuable.
4. Type of weight training - Those distance runners that did weight train did it in such a wimpy and wrong manner (huge reps rather than huge weights) that it was pretty much useless.
5. Dynamic flexibility and plyometrics - ignored by most distance runners
6. The great use of properly place aerobic intervals, fartleks, etc to increase aerobic development.
7. Spending all year (rather than just the last 6 weeks before a meet) to work on speed.
8. Technique - In the past, distance runners felt technique was useless, but Salazar has quickly figured out that is just as important, or maybe more, than it is for sprinters.
9. North American distance runners have only recently used altitude to their advantage.
So rather than yell "PED" everytime someone runs fast, take a close look at what is going on.
This needs to be questioned, but many people like to befriend and surround themselves with people that are considered "successful". From presidents to the heads of the IOC, and especially sponsors, people love to be seen with champions. If we now prosecute everyone through guilt by association with Lance, we will have to paint all of them with that same brush.
WhatYo wrote:
Montesquieu,
Just as devil's advocate. You couldn't get much more synonymous with Nike as Lance Armstrong. They did, afterall, name a building after him.
I am not suspicious of Rupp per se but rather the people with whom he associates. Salazar, Knight, Stray-Gundersen, etc. do not have the best reputations.
Albertostrong wrote:
I want to believe NOP is clean but until they are much more transparent there is going to be tremendous doubt. That's why athletes like Galen have to be open and transparent, not because they themselves have crossed the line but to prove to the public that they are clean. Sad reality of having to overcome what past generations have done to our sport.
Rupp Supporter wrote:
Do you honestly believe that Rupp Dopes? Is it that hard to believe that someone can work hard for what they earn and be completely legit? The kid ran sub 14 for 5k in HS. He has been working closely with Salazar and professionals for nearly a decade. Why jump to the conclusion that he is cheating? If anything, he is approaching the standards of people like Lagat and other well know runners. Rupp has range. We should all be excited for him and acknowledge his accomplishments. He's not cocky about it as far as I can tell. He even ran a workout on a treadmill after his great performance. I see humility. I see someone who is willing to sacrifice to be the best. Someone who truly loves what they do.
I thought maybe Ben Johnson's bust in 1988 would lead to a cleaner sport.
wejo wrote:
That leads to discussion and debate which hopefully leads to a cleaner sport.
some of it was dan pfaff and john cook. although there is probably more
Salazar > Lydiard wrote:Logical Man wrote:But who was consulting WITH to learn about technique?
#8 came from Al Sals dissatisfaction with his own technique.
That was a great statement and I truly hope NOP is entirely aboveboard. I will continue to give them the benefit of the doubt but refuse to castigate people for simply asking questions. Unfounded assumptions of guilt are wrong but there is no harm in asking questions.
A Duck wrote:
Salazar answers the haters:
http://www.flotrack.org/covera...Gonna-Hate
Skip ahead to 5:10
Great statement.
Wait, what? Are you suggesting that Mary Decker was clean? Seriously?
agip wrote:
You seriously equate Alberto with Ferrari? That doesn't pass the giggle test. Salazar has had one athlete 'caught' - Mary Decker - and the test that got her was subsequently discontinued because of its numerous false positives.
get in touch with reality.
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Wait Wait What? wrote:agip wrote:Wait, what? Are you suggesting that Mary Decker was clean? Seriously?
You seriously equate Alberto with Ferrari? That doesn't pass the giggle test. Salazar has had one athlete 'caught' - Mary Decker - and the test that got her was subsequently discontinued because of its numerous false positives.
get in touch with reality.
Those are the two names I've heard mentioned as well in interviews. It's safe to be publicly associated with Pfaff and Cook. I agree, there's probably more.
truth will be spoken wrote:Salazar > Lydiard wrote:some of it was dan pfaff and john cook. although there is probably moreLogical Man wrote:But who was consulting WITH to learn about technique?
#8 came from Al Sals dissatisfaction with his own technique.
If you look at the annotated link [14], nowhere does it say that there was a history of false positives, only that the carbon isotope ratio test is more accurate hence the 4:1 ratio as compared to the old 6:1 ratio.
agip wrote:
Due to its history of false positives, especially among older female athletes, the (T/E) ratio test has since been revised and laboratories now also run a carbon isotope ratio test (CIR) if the ratio is unusually high.[14]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Decker
Is this something new???
Galen_Rupp_1 wrote:
6. The great use of properly place aerobic intervals, fartleks, etc to increase aerobic development.
P White wrote:
At 28, Solomon goes from a run of the mill 1.45/1.46 athlete to a 1.42 guy who smashes ARs.
Galen Rupp is smashing out 3.50 miles indoors on his own.
If these guys were Moroccan, you would not believe them.
Letsrun/Brojos - you need to start asking the hard questions.