[quote]A Ploy wrote:
Yeah, and so is the Central Valley of CA (Modesto, Stockton, Fresno, etc). But although the valley itself is a miserable POS, at least you're pretty close to the Sierra Nevada.
Don't recall Fresno being on the list. The three California cities mentioned, Modesto, Stockton and Vallejo were basically commuter cities for people working in the bay area who could not afford a home in the bay area. When it all collapsed, it became apparent they couldn't afford (or really never could have) a home in one of these three cities so they simply quit paying and abandon them. Thus you have three over built cities with high inventory of empty neglected housing owned by banks.[/quote]
All three cities are absolute hellholes now. Basically gang ridden, violent, and probably not that different than living in Baghdad.