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Subject: RE: 50+ Masters Training and Racing Open Forum
Sounds like mostly all are in heavy base phase (although Rtype is taking a different path...glad that seems to be working for you).
Double, Welcome. That's a pretty stout week. What are you aiming for?
Bushman, congrats on your Birkie. Sounds like a good outing. I know there were some that were concerned about the snow quality. Apparently, it got better.
Responding to Rtype and Alan B,
Thanks for the kudos. For reference, based on comparisons of training with last February, I feel like I'm in better shape than I was at that time, when I was 17:55 5K shape. So plugging 17:50 into McMillan calculator yields a Tempo pace range of 6:02-6:18, so I think that Hard Tempo is the right characterization (this was 6:02 pace). On the other hand, McMillan would suggest that I do my steady-state runs (of about 40 minutes) around 6:20-6:25 pace...no way I can do that!
To me, these pieces of information that we provide each other allow us to gauge whether what we are doing makes sense for where we're at. Are we training hard enough? Too hard? So I truly appreciate it when you guys check if what I'm doing makes sense. I feel like I'm training about right now. I wasn't 1-1/2 year's ago when I overdid it and left myself with a long-nagging, mild injury. I was training where I wanted to be, not where I was at. It's easy for me to slip up and train to hard, so putting what I do out there is for me a bit of checks and balances. It's truly all relative, isn't it. On an broader scale, of course, other 50+'ers like racerdb and msr (and many others), can easily clean my clock, and now that Magill is 50 we're all a knotch lower than we were last spring. These days my mantra is that the most important part of training is not to getting injured.
As to Alan B's other discussion:
I wish I had an answer to this. I'm not much of a marathon type. Even so, I definitely feel that putting some MP stuff into your long runs is a good thing. Here's my reasoning. One of my training buddies (I usually run alone, though) can run marathons with less than a month between; he's 47 and runs in the 2:55-2:58 range. He will typically crank it up for a good 6-8 miles during his long (>15 miles) runs. He kills me whenever I do long runs with him; I can keep pace, but I'm absolutely wiped at the end, and he's ready to keep going. In comparing the two of us, it's interesting that I've got substantially better PR's than him in everything (even up to 1/2-marathon) but the marathon, yet I have a hard time keeping pace with him on long runs. Bottom line is I do more speed, he does more miles (70-80 mpw, usually), but interestingly his long runs are faster than mine. So the long, faster runs must be helping him in regards to the marathon, yes? I also know that the pro's will often do 30K runs at MP, but that just sounds daunting to me. Those guys are such aerobic monsters, that I'm not sure modeling our training after them will be most beneficial to us. So that's the anectdotal knowledge I have; I'd be curious to hear some perspectives of some more seasoned master's marathoners.
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