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RE: Rojo says he might start a Kip Litton thread but only 1 and only 1 thread

Workin 4 Certain wrote:

The RDs at Vermont City and Providence were unwilling to disqualify him despite the evidence.

I believe he won $300 at Rochester. not sure if that performance was legit or not

2010 Rochester Marathon - race info here:

First master takes $300.

If you follow the links to the 2010 results page, the first two masters are:

16 302 Kip Litton M 12 Masters Male 49 Davison, MI 0:34 2:57:25 2:57:59 06:48
17 314 Eric J Maki M 13 Masters Male 48 Cortland, NY 0:02 2:58:10 2:58:12 06:48

Notice that Kip has a both a better net time and gun time, so somewhere on the course he would have had to have passed Eric Maki (the second master). But it can't been at the beginning of the course as Kip started a little way behind the gun - although only 34 seconds this time.

Here are the photos for Kip and Mr Maki:

Now if we ignore the generic photos of places like the start line and medals and the ones where it looks like another runner has been identified as bib 302, Kip has only half the number of photos as Mr Maki.

The first time in the race that we see a photo of Kip is around the area of the Fort Street bridge where he passes runner #2214 - a lady who was running in the half marathon.

More detail of the area:,+NY,+United+States&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=40.188298,83.144531&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Rochester,+Monroe,+New+York&ll=43.141499,-77.61398&spn=0.001133,0.002537&t=h&z=19

The runners come from the south-west, along the Genesee Riverway Trail, go under the Fort Street bridge heading north-east, then turn right where the picture was taken of Kip passing the lady - runner 2214 - before they turn right again and go over the Fort Street Bridge.

This is the only place we see photos of Kip other than the finish area.

The official Rochester Marathon course map is here (click the map for PDF download with more detail):

Now in the other thread, someone did an search for runner 2214 and determined at her likely pace and the distance to the finish line, Kip must have finished that race in about 8:30 mile pace - perhaps slower.

He certainly doesn't look to be running very fast in the finish straight.

So Kip must have made up a lot of time in the middle of the race to pass Mr Maki and record a 2:57:25 net time, but unfortunately there are no photos of him in the mid part of the course - while there are plenty for Mr Maki in several different places. Perhaps Kip was running too fast for the camera autofocus to handle, or perhaps there is another explanation.

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