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Poster: Billy the Kid
Subject: RE: Wisconsin father found guilty in prayer death case
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cisco systems wrote:

[quote]Billy the Kid wrote:

The issue is really very simple. If there is nothing beyond physical laws (currently known to man or not) then the future position/motion of every particle in the universe (including every particle that makes up your physical presence) is completely determined.



this is not true. subatomic particles behave randomly and their position can only be predicted with some level of probability.[/quote]

Fair enough. It is true that I simplified earlier.

However, the fact that there is a probabilistic component to the future paths of particles does not seem to really impact the core issue raised. That is, the notion that anyone has any such thing as a free will, that there are free choices made, etc is all 100% illusory. All of it, everyone, and again every thought and action taken are determined by physical laws (including the random events at the subatomic level).

In particular we (the posters here) each have no real choice in this discussion - every keystroke is determined by physical laws and randomness. Indeed "we" don't really exist in the commonly understood sense of beings possessing a free will.

I would posit that no one ( not 'Noone' :D ) is truly capable of believing this about themselves.
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