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|Subject: ||RE: Renato Canova - Arthur Lydiard Coaches Roundtable|
I think you were right before that it's time to end this debate, and move on. Sometimes you are wiser than I am.
Of course I asked you books, and some other material, in part because you said we should broaden and modernize our knowledge, and break out of our Lydiard mindset. I don't want to burden top coaches or knowledgeable coaches with my trivial questions on a regular basis. You said yourself that would be too much burden to support.
Regarding touching aerobic base everyday, and me not giving you an "exact" reference for my opinion, I gave you references, and my conclusion. If you agree with the Lydiard references, but not my conclusion, that's actually fine with me. Please give more weight to Lydiard's words than mine -- that's why I provide them. (And that's what I do with everyone here who is nameless.) I know you have some practical experience, and these things are very individual anyway. So if you still think it's a Lydiard option to go 7 days a week, in spite of my provided quotes, I don't quite agree, but I have nothing more to say. But don't be upset and accuse me of not providing references, when I did.
By the way, wasn't it you that posted some kind of survey of top Portuguese athletes, that asked how much of their training was LT training? If I recall:
- Top athletes did less LT training
- National class did more LT training
- More LT training led to quicker improvement, but they also reached their peak sooner, and didn't improve after
- Generally 1-2 LT was OK; 3-4 was too much
Given that, I'm surprised that you insist on touching best aerobic pace (something I think is around LT) 7 days a week, not breaking any Lydiard rules. I'm even more surprised when you say you think best aerobic pace is just under VO2max. Is this just a theoretical point you wanted to make?
Regarding best aerobic pace, if you think it's VO2max, I think it's LT, and someone else thinks MP+30s, there is no way to have a common understanding what "best aerobic pace everyday" means. This is the main reason I ask for a reference in this case, because everything hinges on two questions: "did he really say it", and "what does that phrase really mean?". Even with your "Lydiard by Lydiard" reference, it looks like there is still room for interpretation, because of "just under", not to mention the much-discussed fractional efforts. I don't have a better definition. I agree with "just below maximum steady state". But it's not my term -- I didn't bring it into the discussion. I just disputed it, because it sounds to me like doing 7 continuous tempo runs a week. I still don't believe Lydiard (or Nobby or the Foundation) ever said that exactly, to run "best aerobic pace everyday". But if he (or they) did, I'm very interested in reading the rest of the material, with examples.
Regarding Lydiard's long run pace, I really only wanted to make a small and narrow point about long runs being fast. I didn't think it was that controversial. (And I think no one actually disagreed or contradicted it). Since fast and slow is relative, I conceded the possibility that Canova's aerobic intensity may still be faster. Therefore Canova calls Lydiard long runs slow, even if they get faster with each year. I didn't want to exhaustively list all the differences between the two aerobic phases. I get all those Canova concepts about aerobic house, adding more volume of intensity, general/special/specific paces, progression, intensive then extensive, constant vs. increasing internal load, external load, etc. But that's not part of the small, uncontroversial point I wanted to make, in response to a question about increased risk of injury and Canova's intensity versus Lydiard. Aren't my posts long enough? You really want me to add more?
Regarding this quote, I couldn't agree more. That's exactly what I was trying to do.
Relate the best aerobic pace or other Lydiard aerobic to marathon pace, LT, whatever, I would love to read something original from Lydiard, What i read is from Lydiardism what is not the same. Some Lydiard parrots did the attempt to define Lydiard paces by physiologic parameters or pace from event reference (marathon pace, etc). I got no guarantee that what they say itīs what Lydiard wanted to mean. Everyone is free to say what pleases him, but i only accept that Lydiardism pace proposal or physiology proposal, the day they quote Lydiard with an undoubtedly reference that is what Lydiard wants to mean by ideas like the best aerobic pace. Otherwise itīs just the usual speculation without substantial prove.
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