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|Author: ||Jay Johnson|
|Subject: ||RE: Jay Johnson - Question about Routines & Strength Training|
The Study is Legit wrote:
Jay, you have no clue what you are talking about.
It's all very well to complain about researchers and scientists being ignorant to training but when it comes to training elite athletes these guys have all forgotten more than you know.
I stand corrected and yes, I agree that the people above have all forgotten more than I know. Thank you for your well written post.
I stand by my position that if the study in question included a pre and post race/time trial along with the Oxygen utilization data the study would be a turning point in the literature for the simple reason that we could see how much faster the athletes raced. Vo2 numbers are nice but race results would be best. Maybe we'll look back in 10 years and point to the study in question as a turning point, but in the spirit of Dr. Kram's post, it would be nice to see "more powerful" numbers (though I must admit that it doesn't seem important that the RE did not increase at the slower speeds; we don't want more economical runner/joggers, we want more economical runner/racers - I'm sure I'm missing something here so feel free to let me know why the slop across the three speeds is so important in "sport performance" context). Also, IMHO Jack Daniels's book has done more for American distance running in recent years than any other single tool (isn't German Fernadez's coach a devote? I think I read that somewhere); that said, Vo2 numbers are an important metric of fitness, but by no means the only metric of fitness. As an exercise, take Nate Jenkins's current 3K and 5k PRs^ and plug them into Daniel's table, then ask yourself "Will he be happy if he runs that time for a marathon in 2009?"
Two things that relate back to the OP.
First, my broad point about plyos is that they may be (likely are?) inappropriate for Marathon Student at this point in his training. Just because he's a student of the sport and trying to get better** doesn't mean he should hop into plyos. That said, anyone who reads this thread and watches the videos now knows that I believe in employing many activities that are plyometric in nature; it was fun for me to edit those videos and see how high of a box a 4:20 woman can jump too, but again, I do not believe Marathon Student should necessarily go out and build a box to jump up on. I simply don't think the cost/benefit, i.e. the injury risk vs. gain in RE, is worth it for Marathon Student, yet I very much think that same cost/benefit analysis for a 4:20 woman like Sara squarely points to opening up those neural pathways, even if that means the chance for injury increases.
Second, I had a conversation this week with one of the most passionate*** runners that I know. He makes his living in the sport of running and he's the most well read historian of the sport I've meet (not saying he's THE BEST HISTORIAN OF THE SPORT but he's the best, most knowledgeable I personally know). He has been training for a marathon and he now has a foot injury from doing plyos. He's stuck in the pool most days as the only means of safe, aerobic training. This is a cautious, calculated student of the sport - not someone who would blindly buy into the latest training fad - who loves to run and simply wants to see how fast he can run a marathon; his foot hurts and he can't run after employing plyos as a means to get better.
This is the obvious time to for me to follow Joseph Campbell's advice and go back into the forrest to hone my craft...but my ego is such that I'm going to write my own denouement**** for this thread in the coming days ;-)
***...much more passionate about the sport than I, though he's soft spoken and analytic and would NEVER look into a camera in his office and talk to it; don't confuse passion for running with energy and excitement at best and irrational exuberance at worst. I honestly wish I was more passionate about running, but unfortunately I'm too curious about food and wine and hip-hop, to name a few, to focus all of my energy on training theory. I would be a better coach if I had a singular focus.
****My college track coach taught me that word...by explaining how every episode of Friends had a denouement.
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