RedDog1
What is the best 800m training program? 8/11/2005 9:15PM Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
I've read some of Coe's book and it is more complicated than I would like. I've read Irv Ray's book, but I don't know if I trust his program.

I like the style and structure of the Daniels Formula for the longer distances, but he doesn't address 800m (in the first edition anyway).

Is there a really successful, yet somewhat simple 800m training program out there?
sexyspidey
RE: What is the best 800m training program? 8/11/2005 9:20PM - in reply to RedDog1 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
yeah, it's 100 mpw
Ajuksnerrad
RE: What is the best 800m training program? 8/11/2005 10:27PM - in reply to sexyspidey Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Actually, there is no such thing as "the best program". There is such a thing as the right one for you though!

Age? Training, racing, injury history? Strengths? Weaknesses? Desires? Goals?

You get the point.

I am so sick of "100 Miles Per Week-ism".
JRinaldi
RE: What is the best 800m training program? 8/12/2005 12:11AM - in reply to Ajuksnerrad Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
Daniel's second edition does cover the 800m.It even goes as far to cover paces from both 400/800 and 800/1500 runner's. The threshold paces seem a little too easy, but I am sure he know more than I do in this area.

From what I have read over the years and in terms of results speaking for themselves, Luis de Oliveira is by far the most successful 800m Coach. He is the only coach to have coached 5 sub 1:44 runners (1x1:41 1x1:42 3x1:43). His program encompasses many aspects of training, emphasizing all round body condition and lowish mileage (55-65 max in the winter for his 8/15 guys).

There have been numerous linking on letsrun about his circuit training (I think cruzing is promising to put out an ebook about it). There was also a link to an old runner's world article on his circuit training last year sometime.

Slaney ran most of her PR's with him as too has Krumm.
jimmy800
RE: What is the best 800m training program? 8/12/2005 12:51AM - in reply to JRinaldi Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
focus on driving rinaldi
nonono
RE: What is the best 800m training program? 8/12/2005 1:11AM - in reply to jimmy800 Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
for 800m specialists

winter:
50-70mpw
2 workouts of long reps@~3k-5k pace, one easy long run(12m+), lots of drills,sprints and weight training.

spring:
40-60mpw
one 5k-pace session, one session@800/1500m pace(but not going as hard as possible!), one easy long run(12m+), lots of drills,sprints.

summer:
40mpw
one 5k-pace session, one race, one long run(10m+), lots of drills,sprints.


For 800/1500m runners

the same + 20mpw, the sessions slower, incorporate some tempos, long runs longer and quicker.
nononono
RE: What is the best 800m training program? 3/6/2010 11:20PM - in reply to nonono Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

nonono wrote:

for 800m specialists

winter:
50-70mpw
2 workouts of long reps@~3k-5k pace, one easy long run(12m+), lots of drills,sprints and weight training.

spring:
40-60mpw
one 5k-pace session, one session@800/1500m pace(but not going as hard as possible!), one easy long run(12m+), lots of drills,sprints.

summer:
40mpw
one 5k-pace session, one race, one long run(10m+), lots of drills,sprints.


For 800/1500m runners

the same + 20mpw, the sessions slower, incorporate some tempos, long runs longer and quicker.


BS
fracko
RE: What is the best 800m training program? 5/6/2010 1:16PM - in reply to Ajuksnerrad Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The best 800m training programm has to be personalized ofcourse.
However, important is to develop good speed and a good running style. 1-2 a week speed training and technical drills, combined with 1 session a week of interval training (eg. 8x200 with 1-2min rest at whatever pace u feel u can do this workout) if u feel more advance u can do 12x200 for example and shorten the breaks. Longer runs i wouldnt do more then 1-2 a week (unless u r already at a very high level, but then u most likely have a coach anyway).

So this would be about 4-5 trainings a week. Longer runs should just be 30-40mins running in the woods, for example, at a comfortable pace whilst listening to your ipod or something of that sort.
Many people try to train alot with endurace and alot of mileage as they call it, but in my view it is not the best way. Efficient running style, and basic speed shall do it. the interval session shall give u the race pace feeling and boost your lactate tolerance levels and the aerobic runs give u good base for endurance, so no more training then this is really needed.

Remember to enjoy running ;) cheers
fracko
RE: What is the best 800m training program? 5/6/2010 1:16PM - in reply to Ajuksnerrad Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The best 800m training programm has to be personalized ofcourse.
However, important is to develop good speed and a good running style. 1-2 a week speed training and technical drills, combined with 1 session a week of interval training (eg. 8x200 with 1-2min rest at whatever pace u feel u can do this workout) if u feel more advance u can do 12x200 for example and shorten the breaks. Longer runs i wouldnt do more then 1-2 a week (unless u r already at a very high level, but then u most likely have a coach anyway).

So this would be about 4-5 trainings a week. Longer runs should just be 30-40mins running in the woods, for example, at a comfortable pace whilst listening to your ipod or something of that sort.
Many people try to train alot with endurace and alot of mileage as they call it, but in my view it is not the best way. Efficient running style, and basic speed shall do it. the interval session shall give u the race pace feeling and boost your lactate tolerance levels and the aerobic runs give u good base for endurance, so no more training then this is really needed.

Remember to enjoy running ;) cheers
fracko
RE: What is the best 800m training program? 5/6/2010 1:16PM - in reply to Ajuksnerrad Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The best 800m training programm has to be personalized ofcourse.
However, important is to develop good speed and a good running style. 1-2 a week speed training and technical drills, combined with 1 session a week of interval training (eg. 8x200 with 1-2min rest at whatever pace u feel u can do this workout) if u feel more advance u can do 12x200 for example and shorten the breaks. Longer runs i wouldnt do more then 1-2 a week (unless u r already at a very high level, but then u most likely have a coach anyway).

So this would be about 4-5 trainings a week. Longer runs should just be 30-40mins running in the woods, for example, at a comfortable pace whilst listening to your ipod or something of that sort.
Many people try to train alot with endurace and alot of mileage as they call it, but in my view it is not the best way. Efficient running style, and basic speed shall do it. the interval session shall give u the race pace feeling and boost your lactate tolerance levels and the aerobic runs give u good base for endurance, so no more training then this is really needed.

Remember to enjoy running ;) cheers
fracko
RE: What is the best 800m training program? 5/6/2010 1:16PM - in reply to Ajuksnerrad Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The best 800m training programm has to be personalized ofcourse.
However, important is to develop good speed and a good running style. 1-2 a week speed training and technical drills, combined with 1 session a week of interval training (eg. 8x200 with 1-2min rest at whatever pace u feel u can do this workout) if u feel more advance u can do 12x200 for example and shorten the breaks. Longer runs i wouldnt do more then 1-2 a week (unless u r already at a very high level, but then u most likely have a coach anyway).

So this would be about 4-5 trainings a week. Longer runs should just be 30-40mins running in the woods, for example, at a comfortable pace whilst listening to your ipod or something of that sort.
Many people try to train alot with endurace and alot of mileage as they call it, but in my view it is not the best way. Efficient running style, and basic speed shall do it. the interval session shall give u the race pace feeling and boost your lactate tolerance levels and the aerobic runs give u good base for endurance, so no more training then this is really needed.

Remember to enjoy running ;) cheers
fracko
RE: What is the best 800m training program? 5/6/2010 1:16PM - in reply to Ajuksnerrad Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The best 800m training programm has to be personalized ofcourse.
However, important is to develop good speed and a good running style. 1-2 a week speed training and technical drills, combined with 1 session a week of interval training (eg. 8x200 with 1-2min rest at whatever pace u feel u can do this workout) if u feel more advance u can do 12x200 for example and shorten the breaks. Longer runs i wouldnt do more then 1-2 a week (unless u r already at a very high level, but then u most likely have a coach anyway).

So this would be about 4-5 trainings a week. Longer runs should just be 30-40mins running in the woods, for example, at a comfortable pace whilst listening to your ipod or something of that sort.
Many people try to train alot with endurace and alot of mileage as they call it, but in my view it is not the best way. Efficient running style, and basic speed shall do it. the interval session shall give u the race pace feeling and boost your lactate tolerance levels and the aerobic runs give u good base for endurance, so no more training then this is really needed.

Remember to enjoy running ;) cheers
fracko
RE: What is the best 800m training program? 5/6/2010 1:17PM - in reply to Ajuksnerrad Reply | Return to Index | Report Post
The best 800m training programm has to be personalized ofcourse.
However, important is to develop good speed and a good running style. 1-2 a week speed training and technical drills, combined with 1 session a week of interval training (eg. 8x200 with 1-2min rest at whatever pace u feel u can do this workout) if u feel more advance u can do 12x200 for example and shorten the breaks. Longer runs i wouldnt do more then 1-2 a week (unless u r already at a very high level, but then u most likely have a coach anyway).

So this would be about 4-5 trainings a week. Longer runs should just be 30-40mins running in the woods, for example, at a comfortable pace whilst listening to your ipod or something of that sort.
Many people try to train alot with endurace and alot of mileage as they call it, but in my view it is not the best way. Efficient running style, and basic speed shall do it. the interval session shall give u the race pace feeling and boost your lactate tolerance levels and the aerobic runs give u good base for endurance, so no more training then this is really needed.

Remember to enjoy running ;) cheers