Facinating article in the Irish Times today:
“120? No! 170km, 180km. So that’s 110, 120 miles. That’s why they can compete in several distances over a weekend. Jakob can run five, six seven competitions in three or four days. And they don’t have any natural speed. That’s their weak point. What they have is speed endurance, so they can always run at maximum speed. And that’s the tricky thing. You always need to be able to run your maximum speed for the last 300m of a 1,500m.”
110-120 is a ton for an 18 year old. that’s very impressive stuff. Higher that ritz and solinsky types at that age
Maybe, just maybe, he is saying it so that all of their competition starts messing around with high mileage training, too, and keeps "breaking" down, therefore making it even easier for his sons to keep on winning... LOL...
I wouldn't trust that guy with everything he is saying... Just saying;)
The secret to their success is massive amounts of juice. No way you can beat 30 year olds who have been training for a decade at 100 mpw at the age of 17
Superior Coach JS goes home DEVASTATED!!!
If Jakob is really on the juice, how does he get away with it? I like a good conspiracy theory.
flythekite wrote:
If Jakob is really on the juice, how does he get away with it? I like a good conspiracy theory.
You might ask how does anyone get away with it - because most do. The IAAF has estimated that 1 in 2 championship athletes is doping. Very few are caught.
The old man is right. Watch their show on YouTube. They don't have especially beautiful biomechanics--they dish their legs out to the side.
Filip has cankles for goodness sakes. If they came up in the US, starting training as HS freshman, they'd probably be nothing special.
They just started training intelligently with threshold from age 9. Dad learned theory from Bakken.
They all became aerobic beasts.
I think it's just a triumph of the dads training and discipline--whether that's "healthy" for the kids is for debate, but the results are clear.
So they only run 47.5 400ms instead of 46 low??
110mph is high for a high schooler but not crazy high. Before you start talking drugs and the like remember what Ryun and Lindgren were doing in HS. Eventually more talent like them is going to show up.
Egregious math error: 180km=112 miles/per week. So that's really 106-112. jk it's really not that big of a deal.
But seriously, American high school coaches are terrified of real mileage and it shows when we can't get anybody under 2:12 in the marathon minus Rupp. That is, if we trust Gjert.
Capri Sun wrote:
The secret to their success is massive amounts of juice. No way you can beat 30 year olds who have been training for a decade at 100 mpw at the age of 17
True. We'll have to look at Herb Elliott, Jim Ryun, Steve Ovett, Marty Liquori, Steve Cram and scores of others as obvious EPO cheats.
KawauchiFTW wrote:
Maybe, just maybe, he is saying it so that all of their competition starts messing around with high mileage training, too, and keeps "breaking" down, therefore making it even easier for his sons to keep on winning... LOL...
I wouldn't trust that guy with everything he is saying... Just saying;)
There is a lot of logic to this, sending out false invincible training schedules is a mental thing.
Armstronglivs wrote:
flythekite wrote:
If Jakob is really on the juice, how does he get away with it? I like a good conspiracy theory.
The IAAF has estimated that 1 in 2 championship athletes is doping. Very few are caught.
Source for that?
Sdddd ddds wrote:
So they only run 47.5 400ms instead of 46 low??
110mph is high for a high schooler but not crazy high. Before you start talking drugs and the like remember what Ryun and Lindgren were doing in HS. Eventually more talent like them is going to show up.
There are tons of XC skiers who are doing that kind of volume when they are teenagers.
Making up stuff? wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
The IAAF has estimated that 1 in 2 championship athletes is doping. Very few are caught.
Source for that?
He cant... he just made it up
Jakob has only ran 51 400 and 1:49 800, and even Fillip,the speediest of the Ingebritsons(the one best suited to the mile in a world champs/tactical race), only has 1:47 pr.
Making up stuff? wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
The IAAF has estimated that 1 in 2 championship athletes is doping. Very few are caught.
Source for that?
Tübingen/Harvard study. Prof. Pielke Jr. summarized that article in a 2018 paper in Sports Med as follows (DOI 10.1007/s40279-017-0792-1):
Ulrich et al. conducted two random-response surveys in 2011 of 2167 athletes participating in (a) the International Association of Athletics Championships in Daegu, South Korea and (b) the 12th Quadrennial Pan-Arab Games, held in Doha, Qatar. The results of this survey are, in a word, stunning.
They find 43.6% (with a 95% confidence interval of 39.4–47.9%) of surveyed athletes at the International Association of Athletics Federations (IAAF) 2011 World Championships admitted to taking banned performance enhancing substances and 57.1% (95% CI of 52.4–61.8%) of surveyed athletes at the 12th Quadrennial Pan-Arab Games. In a round number that summarizes the findings of the two surveys, Ulrich et al. provide evidence that about 50% of elite athletes doped at two major athletics events of 2011.1 One in two athletes is a big number, and suggests that doping is truly endemic in elite sport.
Source for "very few are caught": see AIU's web page, currently they catch 1 - 2 athletes per month, while literally thousands dope.
With those numbers, and these effects of blood doping (from the Karamasheva CAS hearing), it is virtually unimaginable that any winner can be clean.
"Moreover, EPO is typically taken as a course of many weeks, not as a single injection. Professer Schumacher explained that it can increase oxygen supply by 6% and take as much as one minute off the time taken to run 10,000 metres, and proportionately more over lesser distances."
Also, Henrik I. made a showing with 3 suspicious test results on the IAAF likely doping list, which is also a lot shorter than the list of actual dopers.
Why are very few caught? Listen to Pound, he knows.
Dick Pound, ex WADA President:
"you can miss two tests simply by not answering the door if you're on something."
"There is no general appetite to undertake the effort and expense of a successful effort to deliver doping-free sport."
"There's this psychological aspect about it: nobody wants to catch anybody. There's no incentive. Countries are embarrassed if their nationals are caught. And sports are embarrassed if someone from their sport is caught."
Feel free to educate yourself.
Jgt11 wrote:
Jakob has only ran 51 400 and 1:49 800, and even Fillip,the speediest of the Ingebritsons(the one best suited to the mile in a world champs/tactical race), only has 1:47 pr.
Come on mate, Filip could easily drop a 1:45 when in shape.
They rarely run more than 1hour at a time. Training times a day, often two workouts on the same day and easy runs often at higher intensity than most professionals. I know for a fact that they are often not running more than 150 km a week. Maybe they have changed something, but that is how it has been.
I believe they are actn3 deficient and therefor doesn’t need long runs to transform their fast twitch to more slow. But at the same time that deficiency also makes it impossible for their fast twitch to function as really fast. That fence variant also makes it possible to gain muscle without loosing capillary density
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