His converted time is 3:32.5.
His converted time is 3:32.5.
Why u so crazy? wrote:
So Cheserek had absolutely no pacers? Just went all out by himself at the gun?
No! Here's what happened, in the words, of J Gault:
"The sense of anticipation in the air was palpable as the runners took the start line, but the image on the track was decidedly odd. There was Cheserek in his navy-and-neon-green Skechers singlet, and pacers Drew Piazza and Brannon Kidder to his inside. And that was it. Just three guys, only one of whom had any intention of finishing. The start list hadn’t even been listed on the meet website."
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2018/02/edward-cheserek-blasts-349-44-move-2-time-world-indoor-list/rojo wrote:
Awesome sawse wrote:
Gregorek could take the AR in the 1500 & mile this year. He runs better outdoors. A possible 3:29 in Monaco is not out of the question.
NO. Stop.
3:49.98 is a hell of an accomplishment but you obviously don't understand conversions. It's 'only' equivalent to a 3:32.91.
You think he's going to run 3 seconds faster outdoors in a real race with real traffic? I don't. And the talk about the AR is REALLY insulting.
Lagat's 1500 AR of 3:27.40 is equivalent to a 3:54.04.
The mile record is much more doable - Webb's AR in the mile of 3:46.91 is 'only' equivalent to a 3:30.07.
Lagat's 3:27 is equivalent to a 3:44. Not 3:54.
What was his 1500 m split yesterday? Has shown promise for several years--last year looked sort of off--but this is a breakout performance.
converter dude wrote:
His converted time is 3:32.5.
Correct. Only Centro is faster than him. Maybe.
rojo wrote:
NO. Stop.
3:49.98 is a hell of an accomplishment but you obviously don't understand conversions. It's 'only' equivalent to a 3:32.91.
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Lagat's 1500 AR of 3:27.40 is equivalent to a 3:44.04.
The mile record is much more doable - Webb's AR in the mile of 3:46.91 is 'only' equivalent to a 3:30.07.
Rojo, please tell me your MIT-chief of staff dad bought you a better calculator and Princeton afforded you a better math education than this. Starting to sound like a 40 year old mom who is stale and out of the loop. Get back to poop duty!
Ghnnfjnfh wrote:
I disagree. He’s appropriately rated...
You nailed it.
I'd say he's obviously a great time-trialer. His two fastest times were both in time-trials at BU. He had world class pacing and a fairly clear track. Obviously, he deserves credit for taking advantage of that opportunity. But that doesn't change the fact that the rest of his 1500/mile times are solid, but not spectacular -- outdoors, he's the 20th fastest American 1500/miler in the last decade.
Too bad most races are races, not time-trials.
Sally Vix wrote:
rojo wrote:
NO. Stop.
3:49.98 is a hell of an accomplishment but you obviously don't understand conversions. It's 'only' equivalent to a 3:32.91.
You think he's going to run 3 seconds faster outdoors in a real race with real traffic? I don't. And the talk about the AR is REALLY insulting.
Lagat's 1500 AR of 3:27.40 is equivalent to a 3:54.04.
The mile record is much more doable - Webb's AR in the mile of 3:46.91 is 'only' equivalent to a 3:30.07.
Lagat's 3:27 is equivalent to a 3:44. Not 3:54.
Lagat competed for Kenya in 2004. Only in the bizarro world does that 3:27 count as a US mark.
converter dude wrote:
His converted time is 3:32.5.
And his real times are 3:35:00, 3:36.61, 3:36.61 and 3:36.95. Hardly the stuff of legend.
Sp33dForc3 wrote:
Dude was the only American to make the world championship final, and runs sub 3:50 indoors. A lot of guys slower than him get a lot more hype.
He made a WC final. That's pretty damn good.
Now let me 'be a hater.'
I think people are getting carried away by this 3:49.98 which equates to a 3:32.91 1500.
Whom should we hype more - him or Craig Engels?
Engels raced him 4 times this year, and convincingly beat him 3 of the 4.
January 26th - Engels beat him by .80 in 1k in Armory.
Feb 9th - Engels beats him by 1.34 seconds at Millrose in mile.
Feb 24 - Engels beats him by .57 at mile to win US title.
If you are going to make me pick who I think has a better shot at 2020 or even 2019 Worlds? I"m going to have to say Engels.
Yes Gregorek beat him this weekend but Engels was way ahead hear with 150 to go. And Remember in 2017, Engels was way ahead with 50 meters to go before getting nipped at the line (ANd yes I know Gregorek beat him at USAs last year as well but Engels wasn't good last year outdoors).
Gregorek is very strong and closes well but I'm not sure that suits him for your average 1500 which features a big change in gears. He's probably better suited for a time trial than a real 1500 race. I think Engels is the opposite. He's better suited for a real race.
Our sport is a bit weird. We go ga-ga over time trials but ignore the results of the national championships from a few weeks ago which Engels won convincingly.
Sp33dForc3 wrote:
Dude was the only American to make the world championship final, and runs sub 3:50 indoors. A lot of guys slower than him get a lot more hype.
So what, regarding yesterday. Back in Frank Shorter/Martin McGrady indoor era, smoking was allowed inside the arena. The air quality was awful. One could say in 1970's indoor times certainly were slower than outdoor times. Gregorek is 27 or 28 year old. He set a lifetime PB yesterday. He's not going to start racing 3:31.xx outdoor 1500m.
He's kind of been getting a lot of attention, even prior to this 3:49. How is he "underrated?"
Only in the world where Lagat was also an American citizen in 2004 and where Mondo can set American and Swedish records.
Gregorek and Cheserek both had pacers. The difference is that Cheserek had to go alone a good way (no idea how long his two pacers lasted), whereas Gregorek always had someone either to chase or to draft off. It is conceivable that this time will get him a chance at Monaco, where he might run even faster with people to draft off of.
We merged to the two Gregorek threads into 1.
Possiblyif pits get shaved? That's pretty close
3:31 outdoors is definitely in play. He's just run the equivalent of 3:32.xx and he could go faster with people to draft off the entire race at Monaco. With sub 3:50, he has a definite shot at it. Moreover, most runners, even with numerous shots at the mile, do not run their "equivalents" at the mile. In other words, a sub 3:50 miler is likely to beat that equivalent and go under 3:32.
El G: 3:26.00 (equivalent of 3:41 mile)/3:43.12 (about 2 seconds slower, 1500 is better)
Lagat: 3:26.34 (equivalent of 3:41 mile)/3:47.28 (6 seconds slower/1500 is a lot better, drafting off of El G the whole way)
Ngeny: 3:28.12 (equivalent of 3:44.8)/3:43.40 (mile is better with drafting off El G for 1760y)
Morceli: 3:27.37/3:44.39 (3:27.76 equivalent)--1500m is almost .4 s better
Cram: 3:29.67/3:46.32 (3:29.55 1500m equivalent) mile is slightly better
Anyway, that's a start on the comparison. 3/5 of those had better 1500s, inconclusive.
Sp33dForc3 wrote:
Dude was the only American to make the world championship final, and runs sub 3:50 indoors. A lot of guys slower than him get a lot more hype.
plus his dad was an excellent runner.
he has what is takes
SJWs wrote:
Gregorek almost as = as Cheserek & Lagat? Can't be.
The BU track must be short!
Where did Ches run his mile?
Amen, brother, Amen wrote:
Ghnnfjnfh wrote:
I disagree. He’s appropriately rated...
You nailed it.
I'd say he's obviously a great time-trialer. His two fastest times were both in time-trials at BU. He had world class pacing and a fairly clear track. Obviously, he deserves credit for taking advantage of that opportunity. But that doesn't change the fact that the rest of his 1500/mile times are solid, but not spectacular -- outdoors, he's the 20th fastest American 1500/miler in the last decade.
Too bad most races are races, not time-trials.
A "time trialer" who made the world championship final.... sit down please.
THE POWER OF ASICS wrote:
Obviously, the way he runs so fast is a combination of Coach Gags and Asics shoes
Probably the fastest ASICS miler of all time