DREW HUNTER 8:25 for meet record in B heat

wer wrote:

Give me a break please wrote:

4:18.2 at 1618. This was lame. Joke .

Joking aside, if we interpolate Hunter's 1609.3m (1-mile) split from his 4:18.25 1618m split, it would have been 4:16.86, which gives a second mile of 4:08.43. That's if the 1618m was actually exactly 1618m and not rounded. But still a more accurate sense of the what the actual negative split was.

And kudos to Hunter for doing it all by himself the last mile. The kid has guts. That's a lot more than you can say for the sit-and-kick whimps in the second heat. Gotta love the Tinman crew's spunk in how they get things done.

Honest question. Asking for some education here. What's the difference between extrapolate and interpolate?

Interpolate- picking between two known data points.

Extrapolate- picking a point beyond known set data points

How many times has a national champion come from the slow heat?

progression of US Indoor Championship 2 miles best performance

name / mark / venue / meet / date

George Bonhag (USA) 9:39.20i 1 New York, NY AAU Indoor Championship 09 Nov 1906

Michael Driscoll (USA) 9:28.40i 1 New York, NY AAU Indoor Championship 30 Nov 1908

George Bonhag (USA) 9:20.80i 1 New York, NY AAU Indoor Championship 26 Oct 1911

William Kramer (USA) 9:19.20i 1 New York, NY AAU Indoor Championship 06 Mar 1913

Harry Smith (USA) 9:18.00i 1 New York, NY AAU Indoor Championship 02 Mar 1914

Joseph Ray (USA) 9:10.40i 1 Buffalo, NY AAU Indoor Championship 17 Feb 1923

Paavo Nurmi (FIN) 9:09.60i 1 Louisville, KY AAU Indoor Championship 28 Feb 1925

Edvin Wide (SWE) 9:07.00i 1 New York, NY AAU Indoor Championship 23 Feb 1929

Ryan Hill (USA) 8:26.72i 1 Boston, MA USA Indoor Championship 28 Feb 2015

Andrew Hunter (USA) 8:25.29i 1 New York, NY USA Indoor Championship 23 Feb 2019

note:

the championship was held over 2 miles from 1906 to 1931, except for 1912 when the meet was not held.

in 1932 the championship was held over 3 miles...

1933 - 1939 over 5000m - best performance 14:30.9i Don Lash (USA) 25 Feb 1939

1940 - 1986 over 3 miles - best performance 12:57.15i Doug Padilla (USA) 22 Feb 1985

1987 - 2014 over 3000m - best performance 7:42.81i Moses Kiptanui (KEN) 05 Mar 1994

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2015/02/ryan-hill-runs-25-77-last-200-to-win-his-first-national-title-captures-mens-2-mile-in-826-72/

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All came out of the B heat!!

Video anyone?

Kind of cowardly on the A heat’s part. Those guys knew exactly what they needed to run and they let it come to a sit and kick. They didn’t deserve the title.

Fhnvdjvd wrote:

Kind of cowardly on the A heat’s part. Those guys knew exactly what they needed to run and they let it come to a sit and kick. They didn’t deserve the title.

I agree that they didn't deserve the title but I don't agree that it was cowardly. When you're the one pushing the pace in the A heat, someone will probably outkick you. When nobody does, everybody's running for second place. It's the epitome of a prisoner's dilemma.

What I find petty is Avila saying he feels like he is the national champion. That's just stupid and disrespectful. Dude, you knew the rules before. When you decided not to go to the front in the A heat, you willingly gave up that title. Nice kick for second, though.

Drew is great.

Rest of Tinman average.

Agree with other post someone else needs to run the Olympic standard.

Eric the real one wrote:

How many times has a national champion come from the slow heat?

Why was Hunter in the slow heat in the first place? Nike?

Goon squad wrote:

Eric the real one wrote:

How many times has a national champion come from the slow heat?

Why was Hunter in the slow heat in the first place? Nike?

I think because he hadn’t run an indoor meet yet this season and had no seed time? He at least hadn’t run a 3k I believe.

What I find petty is Avila saying he feels like he is the national champion. That's just stupid and disrespectful. Dude, you knew the rules before. When you decided not to go to the front in the A heat, you willingly gave up that title. Nice kick for second, though.[/quote]

That's ridiculous to say.

First he said "feels he is the champion" probably because he won the A section, which usually means you're the champ.

He didnt say he is or he should be. He just said he felt (Probably in his heart) like he won.

Also, this is right after the race, I'm sure there's emotions flying around. Probably rough to see Hunter Celebrating with the NBC cameras following him around, after you just took down a field.

Nobody in a championship race is willing to rabbit the field, unless there's a commraderee or collective group that agree to push together.

There was a great interview with Ben Blankenship last year after world Indoors, asking him why it always goes tactical in championships.

He said:

"Why do you keep asking these questions? Do you want to lead? You're gonna get eaten alive."

Sure. In this case they definitely should have spoken to eachother and got the pace going. But 99% of the time that isn't the case. You race the field, not the clock.

Lalalang wrote:

It was the Lalang effect.

McQurty tucked behind. Didn’t have the confidence.

Such a weird Bowerman day.

Where’s Hill? He could’ve had that. Chelimo and Shad sent him a Christmas present staying off the track.

Actually, Grant Fisher sent all who showed up, or didn’t show up, at USA’s a Christmas present. His 7:42 3,000 m at Millrose translates to 8:14 for 2-miles. His last 1600 m in 4:01 with a 26.5 200 m close was ripping fast. Thinking about it, a number of guys in the NCAA have run in the low 7:50’s while racing the 3,000 m this year which translates to low 8:20’s for 2-miles. NCAA men’s indoor distance running this year, is looking better than USA’s pro track running. In the sprint events, and mid-distance, there is no contest - USA pro running is way faster.

How long has he had that 'stache?

I must say watching the a race go out so slow was crazy. They knew what they to beat and no one went. They were several training teams represented I would have thought someone would have stepped up to pace.

Big props to Tinman's guys to pull this off. And eff everyone in the A heat, just a bunch of pathetic losers.

And all this coming from a guy like me.

This post. No one is talking about that A) he broke Ryan Hill's record (not too shabby) and 2) its a national championship and he's champion. Same thing would have happened in the slow heat of the 800, 400, or any other event heat. It's track and field and those are the rules. Its a national championship and it doesnt matter who didn't run, only who ran and won.

Well done Drew.

The door has now been opened for the big dogs to 1) not even qualify or run a qualifying race and 2) have their teammates pace the race.

Championship races have never been about time trialing. It’s a different mindset. Every athlete in the fast heat last night had prepared all winter for a championship race. They didn’t prepare to scramble for pace setters and the likes.

Imagine if this were next year and world teams were on the line.

This whole thing was a farce. Hunter is an exceptional athlete, but his coach and management team gamed the system. It’s as simple as that. Not a good look. And no I’m not another coach or have any ties with the athletes. Just a fan.

We mine as well say the national champion is any one of the college guys that have run faster 3k equivalent this year. You know, since we’re just going on time now and not head to head competition.

You all missing the big picture. What about the sport?

Cant see the trees wrote:

Every athlete in the fast heat last night had prepared all winter for a championship race. They didn’t prepare to scramble for pace setters and the likes.

First of all, I assume you mean "every athlete in the slow heat", since the fast heat in that case was actually the B heat.

And then, just that you prepared for a specific kind of race doesn't give you the right to complain if it plays out otherwise. What if someone gets in the A heat and runs 8:19? Would you still complain "but they prepared for a tactical race!"

The best man all things considered should win in a championship, and Hunter was very clearly the best man in that day.