Another notorious American trait is driving while angry & impaired. Dude should never have gotten in the car.
Another notorious American trait is driving while angry & impaired. Dude should never have gotten in the car.
How is this justified?
He declined to converse with an officer, he was not under arrest, and there was no prior warning from officer before he tased the victim.
Allowing that this is justified sets the precedent that civilians have to obey officers no matter what even if they are not under arrest.
Anyone who hasn't should research the "Stanford experiment" this might help you understand why authority over others should be limited.
So, was this guy an ex-competitive distance runner?
Slripe112 wrote:
How is this justified?
He declined to converse with an officer, he was not under arrest, and there was no prior warning from officer before he tased the victim.
Allowing that this is justified sets the precedent that civilians have to obey officers no matter what even if they are not under arrest.
Anyone who hasn't should research the "Stanford experiment" this might help you understand why authority over others should be limited.
You people are clueless. The officer was pretty non threatening when talking to him. The officer seemed like he wanted to help him. I googled this guys name and came up with a story from his grandparents saying he said he would rather die than go back to jail. He got his wish. Case closed.
Confirmation of some well known FACTS wrote:
60mpw is a lot wrote:
Ex-competitive distance runner turned crossfitter won’t get out of his vehicle, gets tased, then eats it from the police.
He had that baton in the CrossFit instructor like stance before he brought it up to batters stance and ate lead. So good I must say
https://youtu.be/6B22t-OmErAWow. Crazy and tragic. Hard to watch. Two things that are well known FACTS in the USA...
1) more guns = more death. Even we’ll trained cops—like those in the video—are not able to “shoot to wound” when under duress. This guy deserved jail time for sure but did not deserve the death penalty. But the video confirms that conceal carry is a terrible idea. If trained cops can’t shoot straight (they should’ve been shooting to wound, not kill) what chance to moran, gun-nuts like John Utah, Disco Gary, and OLD SMTC SOB have? None, zero. T@rds like the LRC RWNJ gun nuts would almost certainly shoot an innocent by-standard in a situation like this. Remember Thousand Oaks? In that recent shooting the Cop that died was actually killed by friendly fire, not the shooter. Wanna-be Rambos should not be allowed to carry guns in public—this video is further proof of that.
2) This video—once again—confirms the uncivilized and violent nature of one particular race in the stated. You know who you are...
Of course cops aren't supposed to "shoot to wound." Where do you get that ridiculous idea? When the situation escalated to the point of the cop using his gun (lethal force), he is shooting to kill. That's why they unload the clip. It's what they are supposed to do. What else would he be doing? His job at that point is to protect the rest of the public from the violent rage of one thug. How was that thug gonna drive if he got in his jeep? You think he was gonna be on the lookout for kids crossing the street? Yielding to the right of way at stop signs? The guy had the cop's baton and was headed who knows where to cause whatever other carnage his thug brain was planning. I'm glad he's dead, and that cop is a frickin hero. And if this thug was Black, or Latino, or Asian or whatever else and acted this way, I'd still be glad he was dead. Race has nothing to do with it. It's right versus wrong. Good versus evil.
Can you not see how insane it is that you use this event and turn it into a political issue, or a racism issue?
Tower Porklets wrote:
The video does raise some real questions though. Namely why are white men so violent? They are uncivilized animals based on this and many other incidents. Maybe it’s a problem with their culture?
I think the gene pool isn't great over in the states. The British/Europeans who went over there to invade were obviously highly aggressive. Self selecting for that role. This explains the murdering and raping of the Americans, the gun culture , and the treatment of blacks. Almost all of white America now are descendents from these thugs. There are some carribean islands which are mostly black- this is because the whites came to the island, murdered the natives, then brought loads of blacks over to be slaves, and left them to it.
Similarly look what the white invaders did to South Africa which is probably as bad as USA for violence and racism.
While I do believe you are both on to something and your overall premise (that white men are inherently violent) I think another factor may be at play here.
And that factor is religion. White American men are overwhelmingly Christian, which we all know is an inherently violent religion. If I have learned one thing from LRC over the years it is to determine the perpetrator of a violent crimes religion before deciding what the root cause of said crime might be.
Fred Gwynne wrote:
Slripe112 wrote:
How is this justified?
He declined to converse with an officer, he was not under arrest, and there was no prior warning from officer before he tased the victim.
Allowing that this is justified sets the precedent that civilians have to obey officers no matter what even if they are not under arrest.
Anyone who hasn't should research the "Stanford experiment" this might help you understand why authority over others should be limited.
You people are clueless. The officer was pretty non threatening when talking to him. The officer seemed like he wanted to help him. I googled this guys name and came up with a story from his grandparents saying he said he would rather die than go back to jail. He got his wish. Case closed.
If you wanna play smart guy, you might as well post EVERYTHING that was said in the interview with the parents.
His grandparents said following quotes:
"He said they would have to kill him first"
Uncle Rico wrote:
So, was this guy an ex-competitive distance runner?
If so, can someone tell us his PBs?
Really awful.... wrote:
Uncle Rico wrote:
The situation is sad. Too bad the guy was tragically out of his mind on drugs, and was barely phased by the taser or first round of bullets.
I'm surprised the officer was so accurate with his shot. With a gas station in such close proximity, things could've been a lot more unfortunate.
Unfortunate but completely justifiable use of force.
The victim had just been released from prison and a halfway house for drug related offenses. It's terribly sad that we don't have better ways of handling addiction and mental health treatment. The victim is now dead, his family is sad, and the officers will probably experience major long-term physical and emotional stress.
Agree, a tragedy. The police were justified in this case. That cop took a beating before resorting to lethal force.
The video does raise some real questions though. Namely why are white men so violent? They are uncivilized animals based on this and many other incidents. Maybe it’s a problem with their culture?
Yes, it's a problem with culture. Violent anti-cop white culture, violent anti-cop black culture, violent anti-cop latino culture, etc. Are you sensing a theme? Maybe if the enemy of the people media didn't use selected police incidents as propaganda to push certain political agendas, there wouldn't be such violent anti-cop culture in the USA.
Samona wrote:
Fred Gwynne wrote:
You people are clueless. The officer was pretty non threatening when talking to him. The officer seemed like he wanted to help him. I googled this guys name and came up with a story from his grandparents saying he said he would rather die than go back to jail. He got his wish. Case closed.
If you wanna play smart guy, you might as well post EVERYTHING that was said in the interview with the parents.
His grandparents said following quotes:
"He said they would have to kill him first"
Whatever. That quote says it all. Police were right. He got what he had coming to him.
The car is a deadly weapon; don’t get in the car. The car also contained weapons, as we saw; don’t draw a weapon on a cop.
Dude, everyone here knows the game you and your multiple handles are playing. No one is taking the bait. Cut your losses and move on.
Samona wrote:
Fred Gwynne wrote:
You people are clueless. The officer was pretty non threatening when talking to him. The officer seemed like he wanted to help him. I googled this guys name and came up with a story from his grandparents saying he said he would rather die than go back to jail. He got his wish. Case closed.
If you wanna play smart guy, you might as well post EVERYTHING that was said in the interview with the parents.
His grandparents said following quotes:
"He said they would have to kill him first"
You are arguing on the basis of a quote allegedly made by the victim which has been taken out of context, you could not have undermined your own position more if you wanted to.
Facts:
Citizen who was NOT under arrest was tased by an officer for no other reason than he disobeyed the officer.
The officers who killed him were pardoned by the DA rather than tried by a jury of their peers.
Slripe113 wrote:
Facts:
Citizen who was NOT under arrest was tased by an officer for no other reason than he disobeyed the officer.
The officers who killed him were pardoned by the DA rather than tried by a jury of their peers.
Are you arguing that the officer did not reasonable suspicion to stop and detain the suspect after responding to a trespass complaint where the recording clearly shows the complainant point out the suspect to the officer?
Uncle Rico wrote:
Slripe113 wrote:
Facts:
Citizen who was NOT under arrest was tased by an officer for no other reason than he disobeyed the officer.
The officers who killed him were pardoned by the DA rather than tried by a jury of their peers.
Are you arguing that the officer did not reasonable suspicion to stop and detain the suspect after responding to a trespass complaint where the recording clearly shows the complainant point out the suspect to the officer?
You're right Uncle, you can't just walk away because you're not under arrest, there is a procedure to follow before a person is put under arrest and under that procedure you just can't walk away if the PO has "reasonable suspicion or probable cause".
A police officer may legally detain a suspect and ask questions which may or may not lead to an arrest.
https://www.davidfoley.net/blog/2017/09/can-you-walk-away-from-the-police.shtmlMore info about Michael Bruce Peterson- the dead man with a long rap sheet:
"Peterson has an extensive rap sheet that goes back more than 20 years. He served multiple stints in Utah State Prison, including a sentence for attempted murder and tampering with a witness. When the shooting occurred, a warrant was out for Peterson’s arrest after he fled from a halfway house after being let out of prison on parole."
Give the cop a medal for taking out this POS.
Why did they handcuff him when he was on the ground and it was pretty obvious he wouldn't be able to resist anymore? Standard procedure?
Also, if that guy was black, there would be riots all over the country. I call it minority privilege.
60mpw is a lot wrote:
Ex-competitive distance runner turned crossfitter won’t get out of his vehicle, gets tased, then eats it from the police.
He had that baton in the CrossFit instructor like stance before he brought it up to batters stance and ate lead. So good I must say
https://youtu.be/6B22t-OmErA
The lesson for all you kids out there:
Listen and obey the police even when you don't want to.
If I was a cop in that situation, I would not allow him to get in the car, where he could easily have had a weapon stashed, not to mention the vehicle itself is a deadly weapon. It probably didn't affect the outcome in this particular situation, but I would have to think that SOP is don't allow a suspect to get into a vehicle. If anything this cop was too timid in my assessment.
It sucks for the cop that shot him that minutes before, he thought he was retired.