Julien Wanders: "I don't care about being the fastest non-African HM runner"

Coevett wrote:

I don't think you're ex-runner actually because he has a registered handle and you sound different, although sprouting the same tired claptrap.

We should celebrate non-Africans winning because it's a sign that the doping mess in Africa is getting sorted and it also disproves the racist theory that Africans are genetically better runners (something that discourages and demoralizes young non-African runners).

Also, why the hell shouldn't an American running forum whose readers are mostly American, European, and others of European descent, point out that the European record has been broken? Grow up.

European record is a great achievement. I stated that clearly.

‘Non-African born’ type statements are pointless and Wanders himself said he doesn’t care about that. There is no ‘non-African HM record’ outside of letsrun.

Maybe Wanders is an SJW also? Lives in Kenya and trains with Kenyan runners, rather than train in Europe with Europeans. That triggers some of you surely?

John Utah wrote:

"fastest non-African" means fasts non-doper, which is an important distinction

Say what now?

This, if correct, would mean that for example all of the top 75 marathon runners were dopers. I doubt that highly.

It would also mean that the following runners were clean:

Coe, Cacho, Baumann, Rupp, Wanders, Moen, Kratochvílová, Qu, Shobukhova, Wang, and Radcliffe. That is just utter nonsense, borderline insane.

casual obsever wrote:

John Utah wrote:

"fastest non-African" means fasts non-doper, which is an important distinction

Say what now?

This, if correct, would mean that for example all of the top 75 marathon runners were dopers. I doubt that highly.

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No, the top 75 may not all be dopers. I would say #49 did not dope. Too bad for him since he could have improved on his 2:04:58 in Boston with EPO, but he was too much of a god-fearing man with high morals.

Coevett wrote:

We should celebrate non-Africans winning

4th place = winning? ????

Macdaddy wrote:

Coevett wrote:

We should celebrate non-Africans winning

4th place = winning? ????

Exactly what I’m talking about.

Celebrate the European record of course. Celebrate the PB. Don’t celebrate ‘top non-African’. At the level where you are running 59:13 you should be aiming for the top, as Wanders is.

Don’t settle for a watered down achievement and call it a success. Paula didn’t.

Forget this American-born ‘record’ business as well, they aren’t real. Posters need to accept it’s a country of immigrants.

Come again please wrote:

FlyingFast wrote:

Knight is Barbadian on his father's side, and Jamaican on his mother's side.

I was looking at a map of West Africa and couldn’t find those places anywhere.

Where do you suppose the slaves in the Caribbean came from?

Any thoughts?

casual obsever wrote:

John Utah wrote:

"fastest non-African" means fasts non-doper, which is an important distinction

Say what now?

This, if correct, would mean that for example all of the top 75 marathon runners were dopers. I doubt that highly.

It would also mean that the following runners were clean:

Coe, Cacho, Baumann, Rupp, Wanders, Moen, Kratochvílová, Qu, Shobukhova, Wang, and Radcliffe. That is just utter nonsense, borderline insane.

+1

Hardloper wrote:

What is fast wrote:

Isn't Wanders running a road 5k in the next week or two? What would one expect if good conditions? 13:15?

Fun fact, the IAAF now keeps track of world records for the 5 km road race, but they won't ratify a WR unless it is faster than 13:10 (which hasn't happened yet)

I’m not familiar w/ the race or course, but it’s in Monaco, so I expect it to be quite hilly.

Discussion on genetics wrote:

Discussion on genetics and running, does not equal a discussion on eugenics. Sorry, it is a fact that genetics play a huge role in sports. This is why almost all elite swimmers are of European descent and why explosive sports that require fast twitch muscle fibers are dominated by people of West African descent.

Runners Back On Track wrote:

Guys, please. How did this devolve into a thread on eugenics and race?

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No. The reason swimming is dominated by Euros & whites is because it requires a facility and $ to participate in. As soon, as Africans get access to pools, it’s over for Euros. There’s probably no sport / brand of athletics where white people are genetically more suited to compete than some type of African (East / West / North).

There are simply sports blacks dominate and sports blacks haven’t started participating in yet.

Just like running.

Ghgc wrote:

Discussion on genetics wrote:

Discussion on genetics and running, does not equal a discussion on eugenics. Sorry, it is a fact that genetics play a huge role in sports. This is why almost all elite swimmers are of European descent and why explosive sports that require fast twitch muscle fibers are dominated by people of West African descent.

No. The reason swimming is dominated by Euros & whites is because it requires a facility and $ to participate in. As soon, as Africans get access to pools, it’s over for Euros. There’s probably no sport / brand of athletics where white people are genetically more suited to compete than some type of African (East / West / North).

There are simply sports blacks dominate and sports blacks haven’t started participating in yet.

Just like running.

Lol. No. The reason why blacks hold some running world records at the moment is only because of white people's disinterest in the last few decades. Blacks had opportunity for 5-6 decades to show some talent in the pool but they just can't hang with whites nor Asians. Even without a pool, blacks can't get anyone in the top 100 in open water swimming. No pool! Basic open water swimming that you can do on any coast. They just can't. Swimming is just one of hundreds of sports right now where blacks can't hold a candle to whites.

casual obsever wrote:

John Utah wrote:

"fastest non-African" means fasts non-doper, which is an important distinction

Say what now?

This, if correct, would mean that for example all of the top 75 marathon runners were dopers. I doubt that highly.

It would also mean that the following runners were clean:

Coe, Cacho, Baumann, Rupp, Wanders, Moen, Kratochvílová, Qu, Shobukhova, Wang, and Radcliffe. That is just utter nonsense, borderline insane.

Through in Cova, the Italians, dozens of Ukrainians, some (actually all the) Spaniards and all the Finns from yesteryear.

no racism here wrote:

Coevett wrote:

We should celebrate non-Africans winning because it's a sign that the doping mess in Africa is getting sorted and it also disproves the racist theory that Africans are genetically better runners (something that discourages and demoralizes young non-African runners).

"racist theory" ? What a nonsense. "Africans" are either genetically better suited for distance running or not. Many reasons lead to the first conclusion, it has nothing to do with racism. If it demoralizes young non-Africans? Might be true - and now?

Not necessarily a racist but one is on racist spectrum when saying those whom are descendants of Nigeria or Senegal will win 100m & 200m; those whom are descendants of Ethiopia and Kenya will win 10000m & Marathon; those darn Brits, north Africans and bi-racial athletes will win 800/1500. Have you noticed swimmers don't suffer this anxiety over muscle twitch ratio, genes and nation of original. Everyone, black & white were winning medals in 100m, sprinting (10.2-10.4) through 1960 Olympics. Bob Hayes did what he did in 1964, for the most part, white men quit competing in 100m dash. That's not genes. Ever wonder in which event Miruts Yifter would have specialized if he grew up next door to Houston McTear?

the letsrun race card players are weird racists. hey, you said something bad about a black person, that's creating a barrier right there. and it's allways white trash playing the race card. go study a rainbow will you?

if you want compare different racial groups in running, just look at soccer-football, speed, endurance.

you're not going to see much difference between the so called races,

you're going to find that the best players come in every shape and size you can imagine,

except they're super fit, super motivated, super smart,

Yes but Dinka and South Sudanese are not closely related to West Africans at all. They are more closely related to the Kalenjin. Dinka tend to be really tall and thin like that basketball player.