Is Kejelcha or Mo a better runner?

How many times has Kejelcha won double World or Olympic gold?

Use your brain, dude. Seriously. Use it.

Kejelcha is better and it isn't close.

YK joined nop in early 2017. He quickly became World Indoor 3k champ. Comparing his appearance currently to when he arrived, Al has put some much needed beef on the kid, as well as given him some direction.

Just thought I would update:

Kejelcha

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Mile 3:48.46i (fastest mile since 2014 in/out)

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better = faster wrote:

Kejelcha is better and it isn't close.

If time is the only measure then it's a stupid question. Forget who has won the most championship medals. Running is only a time trial. Tactics and competition mean nothing. Who you beat and how big an occasion is what racing is about - otherwise runners have no reason to line up against each other on the track.

Armstronglivs wrote:

If time is the only measure then it's a stupid question. Forget who has won the most championship medals. Running is only a time trial. Tactics and competition mean nothing. Who you beat and how big an occasion is what racing is about - otherwise runners have no reason to line up against each other on the track.

Who won the Millrose mile today?

Kejelcha is a better runner and he has another decade to prove he's as good or better a racer.

/eot

BHJhbjjbhbjhbjh wrote:

Kejelcha

1500m: 3:32.5 (Sep 4, 2018)

Mile: 3:51.7i (Jan 2019)

3000m: 7:28.0 (Aug 18, 2018)

5000m: 12:46.7 (Aug 31, 2018)

HM: 59:17 (Sep 16, 2018)

Mo

1500m: 3:28.8 * (Monaco) (2013)

Mile: 3:56.4 (2005) at 22 y.o.

3000m: 7:32.6 (2016)

5000m: 12:53.1 * (Monaco) (2011)

10,000m 26:46 (2011)

HM: 59:32 (2015)

Two questions however:

Has anybody else ever showed as much range in a 29 day period??

When did Kejelcha join NOP? His 1500m PB in 2017 was 3:32.9, his 3000m PB in 2016 was 7:28.1 and his 5000m PB in 2015 was 12:53.9, so not a sudden jump in performance but...

You’re forgetting the tally of something of utmost importance.

BHJhbjjbhbjhbjh wrote:

Kejelcha

1500m: 3:32.5 (Sep 4, 2018)

Mile: 3:51.7i (Jan 2019)

3000m: 7:28.0 (Aug 18, 2018)

5000m: 12:46.7 (Aug 31, 2018)

HM: 59:17 (Sep 16, 2018)

Mo

1500m: 3:28.8 * (Monaco) (2013)

Mile: 3:56.4 (2005) at 22 y.o.

3000m: 7:32.6 (2016)

5000m: 12:53.1 * (Monaco) (2011)

10,000m 26:46 (2011)

HM: 59:32 (2015)

Two questions however:

Has anybody else ever showed as much range in a 29 day period??

When did Kejelcha join NOP? His 1500m PB in 2017 was 3:32.9, his 3000m PB in 2016 was 7:28.1 and his 5000m PB in 2015 was 12:53.9, so not a sudden jump in performance but...

Mo never went after WR's in paced races like Bekele did. I would say that only his 1500 PR is indicative of his limits so a comparison of PRs at this point is meaningless.

Mo is better, but Kejelcha has more potential, at least for 10k and under.

jhand366 wrote:

Mo is better, but Kejelcha has more potential, at least for 10k and under.

You did notice that Kejelcha has a faster HM PB.

The statement made by others that Kejelcha is not as good because he did not win multiple Olympic/WC is a bit weird. Since that is only possible if you have been world class for many years. Second, it depends who is at the top of his game at the same time as you.

The clock does not lie.

I’ll take the guy with a world record and 10 global championship golds. Call me crazy

With his 3:48.46 indoor mile time, I would have to think that Komen's 7:24.90 indoor 3000m record is within reach. No?

Hhshhsh wrote:

With his 3:48.46 indoor mile time, I would have to think that Komen's 7:24.90 indoor 3000m record is within reach. No?

Outdoor 3000m time of 7:28, what does that convert to indoor?

CGFgffgfghcf wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

If time is the only measure then it's a stupid question. Forget who has won the most championship medals. Running is only a time trial. Tactics and competition mean nothing. Who you beat and how big an occasion is what racing is about - otherwise runners have no reason to line up against each other on the track.

Who won the Millrose mile today?

Who did he beat, apart from his pacemaker? And this ranks up there with World Championship or Olympic titles - of which he has none? And how many of these titles does Farah have?

Your question would be better reframed as follows:

Does Ethiopian over-the-counter dope work better, or Saladbar's NOP basement dope?

Since the OP asked "Who is the better runner?", I take this to mean "If we took these two runners and made them race, who would usually win?" This is hard to predict, but (I suspect) would usually be the guy with the better PRs, at least if those PRs were 'out of reach' of the other runner.

This is different than asking "Which one is greater?" Or "Who has had the better career?"

And I think most people would agree that Mo has had the better career so far, since he has by far the better combinations of wins and fast times at a variety of distances.

But determining who is better is a little bit tricky...it seems reasonable that Mo could have run 3:48 indoors, or 12:46 outdoors if he had prioritized running really fast times. Guess we'll never know now...

Armstronglivs wrote:

CGFgffgfghcf wrote:

Who won the Millrose mile today?

Who did he beat, apart from his pacemaker? And this ranks up there with World Championship or Olympic titles - of which he has none? And how many of these titles does Farah have?

He beat the Kenyan indoor mile record holder (2nd fastest indoor mile until yesterday). He beat the Olympic Games 800m bronze medalist. He beat multiple time Olympic 1500m medalist. He beat the NCAA 1500m record holder.

The top 5 fastest miles of the indoor season were recorded yesterday.

Who was missing? Tefera? Lewandowski?

Who is the big name that was not there yesterday?

TFCcfttfcctf wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Who did he beat, apart from his pacemaker? And this ranks up there with World Championship or Olympic titles - of which he has none? And how many of these titles does Farah have?

He beat the Kenyan indoor mile record holder (2nd fastest indoor mile until yesterday). He beat the Olympic Games 800m bronze medalist. He beat multiple time Olympic 1500m medalist. He beat the NCAA 1500m record holder.

The top 5 fastest miles of the indoor season were recorded yesterday.

Who was missing? Tefera? Lewandowski?

Who is the big name that was not there yesterday?

Perhaps a better win than I was inclined to give him credit for but still nowhere near a major championship gold. Farah is one of the greatest championship runners ever. However talented, Kejelcha hadn't delivered on that front - yet. He may never. And beating the best in competition is what championship racing - as distinct from running - is about. Times will always be bettered, but you can never change the order of gold, silver and bronze. And Farah has golds that Kejelcha can still only dream of.