Ocean Warming Is Accelerating Faster Than Thought, New Research Finds

Scientist never lie wrote:

@Scientist never wrote:

Yeah, there's so much more money in science than there is in oil.

You do know how science works? One of the main ways is through grants from the government. The more hysteria they can drive up, the more money they can get from the government. But yeah, not like scientist have ever been caught fixing data/over exaggerating the numbers. And not like science in general is broken in this way as far as fixing data/numbers. Please continue to have blind faith in scientist. Remember to be a obedient slave, and never question scientist, even though questioning and being skeptical is one of the cornerstones of science.

What you have to also consider is the publication bias. There could have been 300 similar studies that showed no result, but which journal wants to run that. The result has to be appealing to be published and subsequently picked up by the media. It is a large problem that distorts many areas of science.

Scientist never lie wrote:

@Scientist never wrote:

Yeah, there's so much more money in science than there is in oil.

You do know how science works? One of the main ways is through grants from the government. The more hysteria they can drive up, the more money they can get from the government. But yeah, not like scientist have ever been caught fixing data/over exaggerating the numbers. And not like science in general is broken in this way as far as fixing data/numbers. Please continue to have blind faith in scientist. Remember to be a obedient slave, and never question scientist, even though questioning and being skeptical is one of the cornerstones of science.

For many people, climate change is more of a political topic than anything else. And unfortunately, people continue to allow their political identity to influence their rational thought more than science. We try and trust science to help our training plans, so why not the Earth too?

Humans are also not afraid of phenomena which occur so slowly they cannot sense it. Humans will react rather quickly when they see a man with a gun walking towards them though.

I do not see how it is not obvious to climate change deniers when we see more and more record-breaking storm systems pounding the East Coast, extreme drought in California, and other unusual weather patterns around the world (because this is a GLOBAL problem, not only and American problem). Yes, sometimes we see record breaking lows, but this does not refute the global trend towards warming. Especially since most of the temperature rise is in the ocean, and only a few degrees.

Check out:

Things to do would be to join Citizens Climate Lobby and help to lobby your local legislator for a fee on fossil fuels, to help accelerate the competitiveness of renewable energies over fossil fuels.

And since this is a running website, you should also consider driving your car less, and running to wherever you need to go instead. Or cycle. Or hell, even swim.

But continuing to doubt peer-reviewed science over the politically-sponsored news stations is leading us further and further down the rabbit hole.

Once the politicians see their constituents asking for change, they will quickly change their positions on the subject, and miraculously, so will the conservative news stations.

"complete liberty of contradicting and disproving our opinion is the very condition which justifies us in assuming its truth for purposes of action; and on no other terms can a being with human faculties have any rational assurance of being right.

Unfortunately for the good sense of mankind, the fact of their fallibility is far from carrying the weight in their practical judgment which is always allowed to it in theory; for while everyone well knows himself to be fallible, few think it necessary to take any precautions against their own fallibility, or admit the supposition that any opinion, of which they feel very certain, may be one of the examples of the error to which they acknowledge themselves to be liable."

Our government/autocracy has been feeding us nothing but fast food our entire lives. Its really really good but it lacks nutritional value. We are the malnourished masses, it is up to us to restore our health.

Let's look at co2 and temp over the last several hundred million years.

http://jeremyshiers.com/blog/global-temperature-and-co2-levels-for-last-600-million-years/globaltempandco2_last600millionyears/

it no longer snows in north america and children don't know what snow, except from a book.

we ruined the ice caps, melted forever.

hope you're happy.

Rapo. wrote:

@SAlly V wrote:

When I saw this story I knew some idiot would come on LRC and criticize scientists for updating their research based on new data provided by improved sensor technology. Unlike deniers who just deny, deny, deny, with no regard for evidence or fact.

Did you, well done, been here long have you?

Here is a little graphic for you that should put this debate to bed.

https://unlockyourminddotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/water-vapor.gif

We should be focusing on pollution, not this C02 red herring.

reminds me the time when i edited the wikipedia page on greenhouse gasses, it omitted water vapor.

then some more senior writer edited the water vapor out of the list.

there are teams of writers that gain senior status and write what they're told on various issues.

wiki goes hand in hand with main-t.ard-stream.....

it's the old ussr rebranded, ussa.

Here is the post to which you were responding:

Now, if you could kindly point to the actual "error in (my) logic" that would be much appreciated.

Or you could try working on your reading comprehension.

Or you could just STFU.

Rapo. wrote:

Did you, well done, been here long have you?

Here is a little graphic for you that should put this debate to bed.

https://unlockyourminddotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/water-vapor.gif

We should be focusing on pollution, not this C02 red herring.

Dude, you're a GENIUS! A GENIUS I tell you!

Surely this mind-blowing information is something that the IPCC has never understood until now. You should report this amazing information to the world! Without a doubt a Nobel Prize lies in your future!

Timothy Foyle wrote:

Rapo. wrote:

Did you, well done, been here long have you?

Here is a little graphic for you that should put this debate to bed.

https://unlockyourminddotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/water-vapor.gif

We should be focusing on pollution, not this C02 red herring.

Dude, you're a GENIUS! A GENIUS I tell you!

Surely this mind-blowing information is something that the IPCC has never understood until now. You should report this amazing information to the world! Without a doubt a Nobel Prize lies in your future!

Hey, idiot. Maybe just admit that the contributions to the Greenhouse effect are 99% natural and 1% man-made. Can you admit that?

Here's the big picture wrote:

Let's look at co2 and temp over the last several hundred million years.

http://jeremyshiers.com/blog/global-temperature-and-co2-levels-for-last-600-million-years/globaltempandco2_last600millionyears/

Oh my! Looks like the "Repo." poster is going to have to share his Nobel Prize! Have you shown this amazing evidence and analysis to the IPCC yet? Hurry, the fate of humanity is in your hands!

SAlly V wrote:

Timothy Foyle wrote:

Dude, you're a GENIUS! A GENIUS I tell you!

Surely this mind-blowing information is something that the IPCC has never understood until now. You should report this amazing information to the world! Without a doubt a Nobel Prize lies in your future!

Hey, idiot. Maybe just admit that the contributions to the Greenhouse effect are 99% natural and 1% man-made. Can you admit that?

I am certain - CERTAIN, I tell you! - that the IPCC simply cannot be aware of this profound insight! Surely they do not have access to this startling information!

Quick, make that call - we are all depending on experts like you!

Timothy Foyle wrote:

SAlly V wrote:

Hey, idiot. Maybe just admit that the contributions to the Greenhouse effect are 99% natural and 1% man-made. Can you admit that?

I am certain - CERTAIN, I tell you! - that the IPCC simply cannot be aware of this profound insight! Surely they do not have access to this startling information!

Quick, make that call - we are all depending on experts like you!

My track record is 500 times better than the climate "scientists" purporting these calamities. I urged caution and they urged craziness. 20 years later - all is fine. 100 years from now - all will be fine. Don't be a dolt who falls for their projections. They are clowns!

runnER/DR wrote:

The problem is that the environmental movement is not pushing for realistic solutions. They are only pushing for wind and solar. These can only be supplemental. Nuclear is the only way to slash carbon emissions in the next 10 or 15 years. Solar and wind can be supplemental, but they can't do it alone(anytime soon at least).

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+1

Wind and solar (the former a "technology" that's centuries old) form currently 1% of world energy.

Usually the enviros "cook the books" by claiming that about 15% of energy is "renewable", including biomass (eg burning dung as is done in 3rd world countries) and other such.

Even put together, wind and photovoltaic solar are supplying less than 1 per cent of global energy demand. From the International Energy Agency’s 2016 Key Renewables Trends, we can see that wind provided 0.46 per cent of global energy consumption in 2014, and solar and tide combined provided 0.35 per cent. Remember this is total energy, not just electricity, which is less than a fifth of all final energy, the rest being the solid, gaseous, and liquid fuels that do the heavy lifting for heat, transport and industry.

See Figure 1 (hint: wind/solar are under "other" in the Renewables pie slice ...)

SAlly V wrote:

Timothy Foyle wrote:

I am certain - CERTAIN, I tell you! - that the IPCC simply cannot be aware of this profound insight! Surely they do not have access to this startling information!

Quick, make that call - we are all depending on experts like you!

My track record is 500 times better than the climate "scientists" purporting these calamities. I urged caution and they urged craziness. 20 years later - all is fine. 100 years from now - all will be fine. Don't be a dolt who falls for their projections. They are clowns!

Like I said, a GENIUS! A GENIUS, I tell you!

It is a miracle that you do not already have multiple Nobel Prizes in hand. Still, in spite of the obvious slight to your brilliance, you owe it to humanity to make your AMAZING analysis public. Hurry, there is not a moment to spare!

SAlly V wrote:

Timothy Foyle wrote:

Dude, you're a GENIUS! A GENIUS I tell you!

Surely this mind-blowing information is something that the IPCC has never understood until now. You should report this amazing information to the world! Without a doubt a Nobel Prize lies in your future!

Hey, idiot. Maybe just admit that the contributions to the Greenhouse effect are 99% natural and 1% man-made. Can you admit that?

I'll "admit" that if you'll admit the possibility that the extra 1% could be all it takes to unbalance the natural order, and cause the climate change that is being measured by every unbiased observer.

The moment you take the time to research this subject the evidence only points to the conclusion that climate change due to human activities is a massive issue we are facing.

Unsurprisingly, not everyone agrees with such impervious correct-think. Just one recent example.

The overblown and misleading issue of global warming

Anastasios Tsonis is emeritus distinguished professor of atmospheric sciences at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. He is the author of more than 130 peer reviewed papers and nine books.

"My research over the years is focused on climate variability and climate dynamics. It is my educated opinion that many forces have shaped global temperature variation. Human activity, the oceans, extraterrestrial forces (solar activity and cosmic rays) and other factors are all in the mix. It may very well be that human activity is the primary reason, but having no strong evidence of the actual percent effect of these three major players, I will attribute 1/3 to each one of them."

the extra 1% could be all it takes to unbalance the natural order,

Almost by definition of "natural", anything other than 0% would "unbalance" that so-called order.

The underlying question is whether such human activity is benign or malignant. Those who wish us back to the Dark Ages evidently believe the latter.

Not massive at all wrote:

The overblown and misleading issue of global warming

Anastasios Tsonis is emeritus distinguished professor of atmospheric sciences at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee. He is the author of more than 130 peer reviewed papers and nine books.

Reading between the lines, it's quite telling that he only took a stand once he retired ("emeritus"), as otherwise he'd be quickly zero-funded for not joining the necessary narrative. That's how modern 'science' works....

If there's one thing they all agree on, it's Climate is a multi-trillion dollar industry.

Whether it's a boondoggle or opportunity, that's a distinction.

E.g. The $1.5 trillion global climate change industry grew at between 17 and 24 percent annually from 2005-2008. according to Climate Change Business Journal (an industry publication costing hundreds of dollars, plus the publishers are "available for consulting").

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/How-to-Finance-a-Trillion-Dollar-Climate-Change-Opportunity

http://business.financialpost.com/investing/climate-change-initiatives-a-7-trillion-funding-opportunity-for-capital-markets-carney