Poll: for or against the wall

AGAINST

For, keep those dirty bar stewards out of our goddam rooting tooting country, merica. Yeeeeeeep.

hotelboulderado wrote:

So here is the problem. As a country a large portion of our economy is based upon low income work that a majority of people do not want to do. If we create a wall or continue to criminalize immigration a large portion of our economy is continually diminished. The solution isn't a physical wall but rather a socioeconomic one. If we simply create an economy where illegal immigrants have no impetus to enter, illegal immigration will slow rather quickly. Of course this would take many years and an intelligent and well thought out plan, so America will probably never develop one anywhere close to it (at least not while Captain Bankruptcy is running the country).

In other words, screw the economy so bad that there is no money to go round, their country is on parity economically, so they don’t make the journey. Great idea Stavros.

Against

I was the big fan of the wall as a teenager, but I'm not really sure how I feel about it now. On the one hand I'm pretty nostalgic about it, but on the other it's the pinnacle of the over produced, ambitious but still strangely soulless music I've come to associate with the hits of that era.

Whether the wall happens or not, the Mexico side of the border is going to look like Palestine going into Egypt...tunnels and lots of them. There have already been some pretty elaborate ones that have been found and they are starting to become more numerous.

Against.

In this thread that is the majority as with most polls on the subject.

BTW: $5B is for the first section. Then cost overrun goes into overdrive as it is outsourced to crony contractors. Of course, this is all on borrowed money accruing interest. Likely this concept is at least $100B if it gets started. $1T+ if seen to completion.

For. however, it should be easy and quick for legal immigrants to enter

voted hillary

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Raddison wrote:

Against.

This 30 ft wall is obviously not doing its job. What difference would it make if this wall was torn down and replaced with a 30 ft concrete wall?

I'm against the wall but the fence pictured in you link looks more like 18'.

A bit of poetic licence on my part but given how easy it is to scale an 18 ft barrier an extra 10 ft will make little difference.

If you prepare properly you shouldn't hit it.

Against spending the money on it. If Mexico was paying I would all be all for it. Kind of like I'm not having the top shelf, but if you are buying why not. I support border security, just think there are more cost effective ways to do it. Unfortunately a large swath of 'merica is too simple minded to understand that. They think a physical wall is the answer to all their problems.

Where did the fiscal conservative run off to? Huge tax cuts followed by massive new spending. I might even support new funding for border security including a physical wall if the funding came out of the existing defense budget. That will never happen though.

Obviously against. I don't know what the point of doing a straw poll on LRC is like we're a representative bunch. We're largely white and male.

Some recent polling showed:

Trump approval- 41%

Who is to blame for the government shutdown- Trump 55%, Trump + Republicans 66%, Democrats 33%

Build the Wall- 41%

Allowing DACA immigrants to become citizens- 83%

America does not want the wall and 2 in 3 blame Trump/the GOP for the shutdown. The numbers are drastic when you look at political party, race, and gender. You could also make a good argument that the midterms were a referendum on Trump's rhetoric in this arena.

Also my actual pitch for conservatives is this: Stops at our southern border are already at a 40 year low. What happened to fiscal conservatism? Why would we spend billions of dollars on something we don't need when we could take that money and invest it in American workers, on jobs, education, health care, things we need. Why spend money on something we don't need? That's usually what the critique of Democrats is.

((also aside -- why didn't you just build the wall when you controlled the presidency, the senate, and the house? Republicans are currently preventing thousands of workers from doing their jobs & earning a living. That's despicable.))

C'mon folks. Just because Trump says we need a wall it doesn't have to be a 50/50, equal airtime kind of thing. The reality is that border stops are at an all time low & Trump wants to use this as a wedge issue for his base to buy into. He wants his base to buy into his bigotry and blame their problems on immigrants. What we should do is demand an investment in workers all over this country. Trump wants us to be mad at immigrants instead of paying attention to his tax cuts. What we need is a government that works for all of us instead of Trump and his wealthy friends. We should ignore all things that have to do with the wall and demand that our government be open and take on things like jobs, education, and health care.

Wow. A lot of effort went into this post with ZERO proof. Keep living in Alex Jones La La Land.

Against

He had two years of complete control. And decides NOW to build the wall, when he can start pointing at the other party.

Is America really this stupid?

Trump is a dope wrote:

He had two years of complete control. And decides NOW to build the wall, when he can start pointing at the other party.

Is America really this stupid?

Better late than never.

What does this have to do with running? keep out the Mexicans who are faster ?

we know the 2 Brothers love Trump,

Against.

How can anyone be for it. One the most idiotic ideas ever. Horrible solution to a made up problem.

Walls went out of favor as a means of protecting your country right around 180 AD.

fandm wrote:

What does this have to do with running?

It has to do with cross country.