What would happen if a major city BANNED panhandling and actually enforced it?

I’m not sure what’s tripping you up here. He left to buy a 40. Give your money to shelters.

Hounddogharrier wrote:

FindingTheAnswer wrote:

There must be some way around this. It's akin to harassment which can't be protected speech.

Unless they physically accost you, there is nothing you can do.

If a polite F-off doesnt work i use pepper spray.

They closed most mental hospitals and paroled a lot of criminals so this is what you get. SF's disaster will get much worse when the illegal aliens march in.

I generally despise and loathe anyone who asks for money, cigarettes, whatever.

Trashy people with no self respect.

And, when they get aggressive about it, it makes me want to kick their teeth out.

Last week some douche with his girlfriend asked me for a cigarette as I walked outside a mall.

He asked me if I smoked.

I live in a city with roughly 1 million people.

I shook my head as I walked by but I was disgusted.

I overheard him joking about my response with his girlfriend as I walked ahead.

What a moron. He was intruding on my day and privacy by loitering outside the mall.

And his tone was slightly aggressive.

I support aggressively pushing out panhandlers.

Those who have legitimate mental health concerns need to have housing and supports.

Those who are criminally minded, able bodied and capable of working need to be doing that or in a prison where

they can learn a hard lesson.

Related:

https://narratively.com/can-san-francisco-stop-public-urination-with-paint-that-pees-back/

A clever deterrent, but why isn't anyone who pees on the side of a building in jail? Put up cameras, use the police, whatever it takes, catch them and bring some law and order back to the streets.

My heart goes out to the worlds poor and homeless.

Suffer the little children, and forbid them not, tell them come unto me.

Matthew 19;14

FindingTheAnswer wrote:

Related:

https://narratively.com/can-san-francisco-stop-public-urination-with-paint-that-pees-back/

A clever deterrent, but why isn't anyone who pees on the side of a building in jail? Put up cameras, use the police, whatever it takes, catch them and bring some law and order back to the streets.

You do realize that it is so much more expensive to throw them in jail then any one of a number of other options. Problem is no one wants to pay for any of these other options and most cities can’t afford to throw them in jail. There is no simple answer to homelessness but rather a complex equation of affordable housing (temporary and full time), job training and employment, mental health services availability, law enforcement, and funding. Most cities have some of each of these things - no city has enough of all of them.

killing floors wrote:

FindingTheAnswer wrote:

That sounds horrible.

I've never understood why people are so offended or threatened by a few homeless people. People talk about not wanting to visit or live in the city because there are homeless? I worked in the SF Financial District for over 10 years and was never impacted or even inconvenienced once by a homeless person.

They are human beings, don't people have any compassion?

Evidently you’ve never been to Cincinnati

Lol, all your supposed solutions cost more than jail, especially since they don't work at all, and the only reaction from people like you is to throw even more money down the drain.

Job training and affordable housing for mentally ill junkies? They don't want to work, and nobody wants to hire them, so there goes all that job training money.

Affordable/free housing for mentally ill junkies? They just destroy their free apartment, and make it uninhabitable for future residents. They punch holes in all the walls, start small fires, don't clean up flooding from clogged toilets, and mold takes over.

Then people like you would be suggesting knocking down all that housing and build new housing.

theJeff wrote:

Homelessness is not primarily an economic issue; it is a mental health issue.

Granted, not all panhandlers are doing it out of necessity...

Correct. A relative of mine spent some months in jail, where a number of his fellow inmates used to brag about panhandling as a way to make money off of fools.

FindingTheAnswer wrote:

Related:

https://narratively.com/can-san-francisco-stop-public-urination-with-paint-that-pees-back/

A clever deterrent, but why isn't anyone who pees on the side of a building in jail? Put up cameras, use the police, whatever it takes, catch them and bring some law and order back to the streets.

They should at least pee in a bottle and then discreetly dump it in the storm sewer.

“Pro ple aren’t pooping on the streets because they unlearned basic hygiene. Rather, the incidents reflect shameful levels of inequality in the city.”

No, it’s because they are mentally ill, or lack basic respect for themselves and others. It is the bitter fruit of a city leadership that rewards license and lawlessness.