NYC just offered free health care to everyone in city and says it will only cost $166.67 per person. How is that possible?

",,,says it will only cost $166,67 per person. How is that possible?"

It IS possible to say it...I just tried it at home. NOT possible to actually do it - like almost all phony liberal promises. Just a fund raising, vote raising tactic.

Of course a Single payer system will save money...anyone working in healthcare would figure this out after 6 months on the job dealing with insurance companies and treating uninsured and Medicaid patients (for whom we all pay for anyway)

However no matter how much data you present, some will never be convinced.

I consider myself a political conservative. As a doctor when I tell conservatives outside medicine that a single payer system would save money, most won’t believe it.

Forget Christian values and compassion, forget human decency, forget ‘liberal’ values.

Purely for financial reasons, any conservative should welcome a single payer system which will save billions.

It’s not a liberal vs conservative issue, it’s just plain old common sense.

Wanted to add however that no way DeBlasio’s plan actually costs that much unless...

-he is factoring in the ongoing costs of providing healthcare the the uninsured and expects those to drop (which would probably happen if people could seek outpatient services)

-and he is referring to outpatient care only. Inpatient stays will run those costs way up.

A fiscal conservative wrote:

Wanted to add however that no way DeBlasio’s plan actually costs that much unless...

-he is factoring in the ongoing costs of providing healthcare the the uninsured and expects those to drop (which would probably happen if people could seek outpatient services)

-and he is referring to outpatient care only. Inpatient stays will run those costs way up.

Read my comment above. NY already pays $8 billion for health care for uninsured.

Great idea wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

I've not been to the doctors in 3 years.

That's super smart...

I live in the UK and it's free. I haven't been sick and there is no reason to make an appointment to simply say hello.

Are you aware that the US healthcare system is one of the world’s biggest scams?

If the US healthcare system was a country - it would have the fifth largest GDP on the entire planet.

Only the USA, China, Japan and Germany have a GDP larger than the $3.5 trillion dollar US healthcare market.

In theory you should be by far the healthiest nation on earth.

Also very simialr to.... wrote:

ya..... wrote:

It's along the same line as "if you like your plan, you can keep your plan"

Yup. It’s also very similar to, “the tax cuts will pay for themselves”.

Or "tax cuts will trickle down". Ha ha ha!

bloviating wrote:

Also very simialr to.... wrote:

Yup. It’s also very similar to, “the tax cuts will pay for themselves”.

Or "tax cuts will trickle down". Ha ha ha!

Please read. The city of NY is already paying $8 billion dollars for uninsured health care. The $200 million is just the increase projected by this plan.

It seems a lot of doctors are moving out on their own and no longer accepting insurance, as they have become frustrated with the changes to healthcare over the past several years. I wonder how this move would impact doctors going forward.

dingle wrote:

Someone said this earlier, but it keeps being missed. NYC already spends $8 billion on health care for the uninsured, so that explains why this additional expenditure is so small. See:

New York City already provides health care to the uninsured and the undocumented through its hospital system, a roughly $8 billion behemoth whose history of service to the poor, regardless of an ability to pay, can be traced to the founding of Bellevue Hospital in the 18th century. A person without medical insurance has long been able to go to a city emergency room and get care, free of charge, or to seek a primary-care physician.

So if NYC already provides healthcare to the uninsured and the undocumented, what is DiBlasio up to?

I absolutely have seen treads critical of conservatism or Trump deleted here by you guys.

I don't care about anyone offering an opinion but when all admin sing from the same hymn sheet and you occasionally delete those that you disagree with. Well for a running forum, it's just sh!t.

As to the points you've raised, others have shown far better than I that the numbers you guys are touting are simplistic and flawed AF.

I can't believe Americans still don't understand that socialized healthcare is cheaper for the State and the individual. This has been proved dozens of times over for decades in every other wealthy and developed nation. Even provinces in Canada that have health care premiums rarely bill over $1000 per person per year.

And don't pull that "waiting time" bulls*** on me either. Almost no one dies waiting in line and those that need immediate care are always given attention.

I'm sorry but if you f***ed your hip by never exercising for 2 decades, you can wait. A kid with the sniffles isn't exactly a medical propriety either. Maybe in the USA where people die of simple infections b/c they can't afford a blood test, the wait times for irrelevant issues is short cause no body goes to the doctor.

Come on better than that. That street runs both ways and that's NOT what I said. What I'm saying is that it's biased in direction and I think it's to the detriment of a "running" website.

A fiscal conservative wrote:

Of course a Single payer system will save money...anyone working in healthcare would figure this out after 6 months on the job dealing with insurance companies and treating uninsured and Medicaid patients (for whom we all pay for anyway)

However no matter how much data you present, some will never be convinced.

I consider myself a political conservative. As a doctor when I tell conservatives outside medicine that a single payer system would save money, most won’t believe it.

Forget Christian values and compassion, forget human decency, forget ‘liberal’ values.

Purely for financial reasons, any conservative should welcome a single payer system which will save billions.

It’s not a liberal vs conservative issue, it’s just plain old common sense.

As a fiscal conservative, I COMPLETELY agree with you.

If all the people would forget the propaganda and vote with their checkbooks, we would have universal healthcare, and, of course, loads and loads of profits and corruption in the current health care system would be lost.

A fiscal conservative wrote:

Of course a Single payer system will save money...anyone working in healthcare would figure this out after 6 months on the job dealing with insurance companies and treating uninsured and Medicaid patients (for whom we all pay for anyway)

However no matter how much data you present, some will never be convinced.

I consider myself a political conservative. As a doctor when I tell conservatives outside medicine that a single payer system would save money, most won’t believe it.

Forget Christian values and compassion, forget human decency, forget ‘liberal’ values.

Purely for financial reasons, any conservative should welcome a single payer system which will save billions.

It’s not a liberal vs conservative issue, it’s just plain old common sense.

Thank you for saying this. Even the most hardcore conservatives in Canada realize that a single payer healthcare system saves an incredible amount of money. In the heartland of Canadian conservatism, Alberta, politicians quickly find themselves looking for a new job when they start advocating for increased privatization and premiums on healthcare.

I don't think American has true conservatism anymore. Fiscal responsibility and small government are buzz words during elections rather than actual policies.

don't worry. We have the wars so that you don't have to.

Love to see where the rest of the world is when America not the World Police. you'll all be speaking mandarin.

warmanger wrote:

don't worry. We have the wars so that you don't have to.

Love to see where the rest of the world is when America not the World Police. you'll all be speaking mandarin.

*We start wars we don't have to

No government program has ever come in under budget has it? Or at least not enough to make a difference.

warmanger wrote:

don't worry. We have the wars so that you don't have to.

Love to see where the rest of the world is when America not the World Police. you'll all be speaking mandarin.

The "rest of the world" would breathe a sigh of relief. The US has invaded more countries in the last century than any nation by far. Of course that's only to make the world safe for US corporate investments- I mean "demockracy."

Of course scaling back on the world's largest institutional polluter would be a drain on the portfolio's of Wall St. MIC investors and we can't have that.

The world has had to endure 248 armed conflicts since World War Two -- The US started over 200 of them and that's not counting the silence about Africa in the media. Of course it's necessary to keep the world safe by blowing it up.

'merikan's don't speak no furrin' tongue we speak merikan'