Are dogs and horses trained differently than humans for similar efforts?

Bad Wigins wrote:

Genetics is baloney. You still have to train the horse to run faster than the other horses with similar genetics.

The fundamental difference between horses and people, endurance-wise, is horses have an reservoir of RBC's in their spleen ready to be dumped into the blood for an all-out effort. But they have to replenish it afterwards which takes more than a few minutes. So no series of all-out reps in one workout.

Stick with the other stuff you know absolutely nothing about.

An american thoroughbred racehorse does NOT typically do two "works" per week. The standard is one. Rarely on the PPs do you see twice per week. And that is usually a lesser known trainer with only a couple horses to his stable. Pletcher, Baffert, Asmussen, Mott, O'Brien, Brown, etc are one per week.

Again, think of a "breeze" as a time trial. You wouldn't do two per week for two months. Good luck keeping that up. Horses don't know how to hold back. The reason Lasix is given is to prevent bleeding in their lungs because they go so damn hard. They don't have the governor that humans do. One per week with light short gallops and walks in between.

Argue any of that you want, but my source is 5:30am with the clockers and trainers at Saratoga's Oklahoma training track.

John Clendon wrote:

An american thoroughbred racehorse does NOT typically do two "works" per week. The standard is one. Rarely on the PPs do you see twice per week. And that is usually a lesser known trainer with only a couple horses to his stable. Pletcher, Baffert, Asmussen, Mott, O'Brien, Brown, etc are one per week.

Again, think of a "breeze" as a time trial. You wouldn't do two per week for two months. Good luck keeping that up. Horses don't know how to hold back. The reason Lasix is given is to prevent bleeding in their lungs because they go so damn hard. They don't have the governor that humans do. One per week with light short gallops and walks in between.

Argue any of that you want, but my source is 5:30am with the clockers and trainers at Saratoga's Oklahoma training track.

It's actually a bit more complex than what you state.

The spacing between breezes varies somewhat depending on the length and where the horse is in its schedule. The gap could be once a week or with maybe four days or so at other times. Some of the gallops are quite strong. Usually a trainer working them once a week will use more strong gallops while those working more frequently may gallop easier and work harder. That's an individual thing. Using the top trainers with the best horses doesn't paint the whole picture. We're talking average here.

Many horses do know how to hold back, they aren't quite the runaway machines you describe. Quite a few are said to "train themselves".

Lasix is also given because it can enhance performance. Overseas, Lasix is not allowed and horses still manage to run well.

My source is 20 years at the track and actually getting a training license myself.

The message boards at letsgallop have a ton of good info from the horses themselves, though most of them are narcissistic douchebags for some reason.

Lasse Viren's spleen wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

Genetics is baloney. You still have to train the horse to run faster than the other horses with similar genetics.

The fundamental difference between horses and people, endurance-wise, is horses have an reservoir of RBC's in their spleen ready to be dumped into the blood for an all-out effort. But they have to replenish it afterwards which takes more than a few minutes. So no series of all-out reps in one workout.

Stick with the other stuff you know absolutely nothing about.

Loser.

Bad Wigins wrote:

Lasse Viren's spleen wrote:

Stick with the other stuff you know absolutely nothing about.

Loser.

https://equusmagazine.com/management/in-focus-your-horsee28099s-spleen

Like I said, stick to the stuff you know absolutely nothing about. You know a little bit about a horse spleen and made up a bunch of your "facts" to go along with that.

The fundamental difference is that a horse has four legs and is just way better even without a spleen.

They don't have to " replenish" their spleen after a hard effort before repeating it. The blood stays in circulation until the horse is stopped from exercising and cools down.

Now go back to your dumb schtick on the moon landing a flat Earth threads.