I'd say 1:48, he could probably go through in a 50 without locking up, but a low 50 after that isn't going to happen, I'll give him a 58 for a 1:48.
I'd say 1:48, he could probably go through in a 50 without locking up, but a low 50 after that isn't going to happen, I'll give him a 58 for a 1:48.
Just because you’re world class at 400m doesn’t mean you’ll run a professional 800m time, but I assume most 400 guys as fast as him could run 1:50. Lashawn Merritt said he ran an 800 in college and ran 1:56. Idk what his 400 PR was at the time though or how the 800 went out. So I’m kinda basing my prediction on that tho (that world class 400 guys can usually run about 1:50 off sprint training)
SDSU Aztec wrote:
His 200M PR of 19.84 is indicative of too many fast-twitch muscles for the 800. Warriner, who had 20.19 speed, would have been my pick as the 400 specialist with the most potential for the 800.
Just jack him up on EPO and let him continue 400m training; he would be great all the way up to 3k...
TheXCrunner wrote:
With a solid 43 secs 400m, what do you think Michael Norman can run in the 800m?
lets say;
A= have someone pace him in the first 400m and let him run the last 400m by himself.
B= let him go all out in 800m race with other 800m runners.
thoughts???
Unless he trained for it, I doubt he could run sub-1:50. Norman is a world 100/200 sprinter; usually, the faster a 400 sprinter is at the 100, the slower he will be in the 800. Basically it relates to body mass and muscle type: Norman is big and fast twitch.
Depends on his training, but he likely runs overdistance runs during training that could be up to 800m at 85% of his 400m speed. For a distance runner, that's like time trialing an 800 in practice. It's not like you're asking him to run a 5k off of 400m training. I'd say 1:46-1:48
TrackCoach wrote:
TheXCrunner wrote:
With a solid 43 secs 400m, what do you think Michael Norman can run in the 800m?
lets say;
A= have someone pace him in the first 400m and let him run the last 400m by himself.
B= let him go all out in 800m race with other 800m runners.
thoughts???
Unless he trained for it, I doubt he could run sub-1:50. Norman is a world 100/200 sprinter; usually, the faster a 400 sprinter is at the 100, the slower he will be in the 800. Basically it relates to body mass and muscle type: Norman is big and fast twitch.
Rudisha is what? Like 6'4 or so at about 170 ibs. That's about the same size as Norman. Alberto Juantorena was 6'3 and 185 ibs. What is Emmanuel Korir 200m PR, his 400m/800m PRs are 44.21 and 1:42.05.
with that logic, bolt could run a 3:30 mile, or centro could run 12:40. specificity is key
I'm more curious what Rai Benjamin could run in the 800. Our 400 hurdlers could always crank out pretty good 800s during indoor season.
Bush, I agree about Rai. I was a 49 mid 400 m hurdler and i could easily run 1.48.00.
almost all world class 400 m runners are converted from 100m and 200m.
you learn to extend your 100m to 200m, with training.
then you're an animal, you learn how to sprint to 300m
and finally you learn to hold it together in the stretch.
you put it all together, and you are a 400m man.
to get this sprinter up to a full 800m, which is 500m beyond the point he's hafl.fked, is a nearly impossible task.
you have to develop an aerobic engine.
and this takes years.
there have been only a handful of guys all time that had the combo, you know a 45 second 400m guy born at altitude is the type of guy that can do it.
garth bale, is one rare bird that could do it.
or you can take EPO, where a 200m guy can now be a beast in the 400m straight.....
which is how most of the 43 second quarters are achieved.
Longjack- You got it right. Besides it taking a long time to develop that system to run a super quality 800 it takes the desire to want to run that distance. It's not a mere matter of jumping into an 800 after being able to run a really fast 400. One has to have that mental focus to run the 2 lap event. In the 1970s I thought that a smooth running 400 runner would be the first man to break 1:40 and it would happen soon. Well, I've been waiting a long time. I guess that World Class smooth striding 400 meter runners do not want to change their whole training routine to run the longer event. How many top 400 runners who are at the top of their game switch to the 800? Name one top 400 meter runner who has switched when he is at the top of his game.
A weekly 10x600m Crictical velocity to work on those type IIa muscle fibers needed for the 800m.
Hahahahahahahahaha. I didn't read this thread after I responded to it for a couple days. Thanks for the laugh my guy.
mcvred wrote:
You'd have to figure out how he responded to Brazier/Solomon/Southerland styles of training, which from my understanding emphasizes low mileage, high intensity, and serious recovery. It's hard to say for sure, but he could definitely crack 1:50 if he paced things well.
Who is Southerland?
1:59.97 (51.3/68.6)
52-60 for 1:52.
He’s a 43 guy. He should be going out 45-46 and hanging on.
22-23-24-30
(45)(54)=1:39 WR
Won the 2018 NCCA Indoor Champs, 6th?? at NCAA outdoors, was supposed to sign with Brooks, is now with Nike and OTC Elite.
paul72 wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
His 200M PR of 19.84 is indicative of too many fast-twitch muscles for the 800. Warriner, who had 20.19 speed, would have been my pick as the 400 specialist with the most potential for the 800.
+1
Not important at all - the difference between 19.84 and 20.19 is small enough to be explained by weather and wind on respective days.
Give us the average of their ten best times on the distance and you might be able to prove what you're saying.
positivespodk wrote:
1:59.97 (51.3/68.6)
Nope. In HS our 46.7 400 guy ran 800 on a dare. He went 53/63. He was okay to ~650m and then it was a total death march to the finish. He never ran the 800 again.