Gene Dykes World Record REVERSED!!! Goes Home DEVESTATED

You are an idiot for this post. Just go home boi, devastated or not.

Ed's grip on this one is tenacious. His 2:54 at 73 is the Real Deal anyway. At 70, Gene would have to run 2:50:20 to match it's 100% on age-grading.

Given Gene's prolific racing, I give it a good chance he'll end up with the record in the next year. As for the 100% AG, only time will tell.

For those who are curious here is a three page summary of sanctioned and certified.

https://www.usatf.org/mgmt/assoc/forms/Documents/SanctionVsCourse%20Certification_Overview.pdf

The key part is on page 2: As part of the sanction agreement, the sanctioned event agrees to do the following:

1. Follow applicable USATF rules. As the 2018 competition rules consist of 244 pages, that is a lot of stuff to check through.

he better hurry up and find another race for his 15 minutes before the next vaporfly age-grouper tops him and the vaporfly bubble pops, expect a 5% user to beat his time in 2019

I mean people aren't actually accepting that his 4% economy boost matches Whitlock's achievement?

I mean just look at what Whitlock did in those ancient shoes he used, year after year, incredible, he will be fondly remembered and missed:

https://www.arrs.run/SA_Mara.htm

OP, he probably heard the news while he was at home.

PsycDykes wrote:

Gene Dykes has his World Record for the 70-75 Marathon counted as invalid. He writes this on Facebook:

Thank you all so much for the nice things posted about my race.

Obviously Gene doesn't read the LetsRun World Famous Message Board:

From the USATF document:

"For any road-running performance to be accepted as a record, or be nationally ranked, it must be run

on a USATF-certified course."

The USATF document does not say it must be run on a USATF Sanctioned

btw I stumbled across this excellent writeup comparing Ed Whitlock vs Gene Dykes while trying to find Gene's average mpw (which turns out to be 2800/year=53 but races 1300 miles per year?)

Gene neglects giving credit to vaporflys for his "amazing recovery" which seems to a common trait seen with all carbon-spring users like Camille Herron and Stephanie Bruce

https://canute1.wordpress.com/2018/11/02/a-contrast-of-two-extraordinary-marathon-runners-ed-whitlock-and-gene-dykes/

Why isn't it a record wrote:

From the USATF document:

"For any road-running performance to be accepted as a record, or be nationally ranked, it must be run

on a USATF-certified course."

The USATF document does not say it must be run on a USATF Sanctioned

That's right.

zoomzoomzoom wrote:

Gene neglects giving credit to blah blah

Because he's the one who ran it, not some mysterious piece of clothing that had nothing to do with it.

zoomzoomzoom wrote:

btw I stumbled across this excellent writeup comparing Ed Whitlock vs Gene Dykes while trying to find Gene's average mpw (which turns out to be 2800/year=53 but races 1300 miles per year?)

Gene neglects giving credit to vaporflys for his "amazing recovery" which seems to a common trait seen with all carbon-spring users like Camille Herron and Stephanie Bruce

https://canute1.wordpress.com/2018/11/02/a-contrast-of-two-extraordinary-marathon-runners-ed-whitlock-and-gene-dykes/

Hi Crazy Daizee!

It looks like the Houston marathon is sanctioned in January. That would be a good choice if he's recovered enough.

Props to Gene Dykes for taking the high road on this.

If I called the RD and was told I could set a WR on the course and then trained for the race, flew to Jacksonville, paid for hotels, car rentals, and registration only to learn that it wasn't sanctioned AFTER running the race, I would be royally mad.

Not only is he out the money, but he missed an opportunity to race elsewhere in a properly sanctioned marathon. At 70, you can't take your health for granted and just assume that you can do it again in a few weeks.

That sucks. A marathon is a long race to run to hear that records there don't count. If he doesn't continue overracing, he should be able to do this on a record-eligible course soon enough.

Hey Chuck, What purpose does posting the RDs contact info serve? And according to posters on here, the RD stands correct, which means to me, there is at least some ambiguity to the exact ruling or at least it denotes that it's confusing and not clear.

Why isn't it a record wrote:

From the USATF document:

"For any road-running performance to be accepted as a record, or be nationally ranked, it must be run

on a USATF-certified course."

The USATF document does not say it must be run on a USATF Sanctioned

You are reading the three page summary. You need to read the actual rules.

Section 262 3(a): ...... In Masters Track and Field, no record shall be acceptable unless it was made in an event that had been sanctioned by USATF, a member organization of USATF or another member Federation of IAAF by competitors eligible to compete under IAAF Rules.

Why does USATF even keep masters RR records? Bit out of their wheelhouse, isnt it?

If no, why don't they keep all age group RR records. Either do it or don't.

Maybe ARRS will recognize this performance.

(Beware! Google arrs before proceeding, I think their old website is now a really, really NSFW place).

You're a dodo wrote:

zoomzoomzoom wrote:

Gene neglects giving credit to blah blah

Because he's the one who ran it, not some mysterious piece of clothing that had nothing to do with it.

You’ve clearly never run, let alone raced in the Vaporfly’s. Lace em up and then tell us Ed’s record isn’t superior.

I was on the start line next to Gene in Jacksonville. The organizers made a special announcement right before the start highlighting his world record bid. So at the very least the race director did not understand what his own race needed to be record eligible, which is a bit amateurish.