Hanzo,
Is your strava account public?
Hanzo,
Is your strava account public?
Not sure why interesting tho, I'm just a hobby athlete in his early 30s who was finally able to start running last year with more than 5 mpw and responds very well to Tinman training.
But I'm still making many mistakes, like taking 10 days fully off after season end and losing majority of my fitness lol. Don't copy what I'm doing, but feel free to try the Tinman system.
https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/normalized-power-intensity-factor-training-stress/thanksandrew wrote:
Andrew, I think I read about you having a formula that gives a stress rating for any specific workout or race? Is that true?
(BTW, ignore the date - that's just the last time that TP updated their website - and the redundant "Dr." and "Ph.D.". Those are the sorts of mistakes that happen when you cede complete control of your work.)
The algorithm/approach has since been emulated by many others, and you will find versions of my Performance Manager chart on TrainingPeaks, Strava, SportsTracks, etc., etc., etc. (although often without proper attribution, and under a different name to skate around TP's trademarks). Almost two decades after I introduced the idea to the cycling community, the sports science world is also starting to catch up, with a number of studies calculating stress scores, chronic and acute training loads, training stress balance for team sports in particular.
Specific to running, there is rTSS:
https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/running-training-stress-score-rtss-explained/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19910822Following the links, I see that TP has significantly edited my original articles. You will have to dig around the web a bit to find the much lengthier initial version that i wrote.
If you’re curious about what Tinmam training looks like, a lot of the tinman elite guys are on Strava. Jordan Gusmam, Jeff Thies, Reed Fischer, Kyle Medina, Brogan Austin, a bit of Drew Hunter’s training.
Andrew,
Thank you. I guess my question is this - is there a model on how to adjust intensity of a workout based on interval rests.
For example 5000m in 15:00 is 15 mins at 5k pace, but so is 5 x 1000 @ 5k pace w/ 90 seconds rest. The race is obviously a bigger effort, but how would one account for the stress of a workout given various rest periods, etc.?
But you're just repeating the dogma. Think about it logically, it doesn't make sense. Your last sentence shows the contradiction.
Fitness has nothing to do with substrate uptake, it's a basic biological necessity. Everyone needs that ATP. Otherwise overweight people who don't run wouldn't be able to walk uphill would they?
There is a wide range of muscle fiber phenotypes and how can you believe measurement of oxidative capacity from biopsies? Force generation changes yes, oxidative changes no, it's an unrealistic expectation and or confirmation bias of previous experimenters. It's the myosin expression which changes and this is easily observed non invasively with changes in muscle mass.
If you want to talk substrate selection/rate of carbohydrate depletion, then consider the intensity of exercise and the efficiency. Otherwise you will be making bioengergetically/biolmechanically contradictory statements endlessly.
You could use the normalized power algorithm and apply it to pace, as I did in the prior post. (In fact, I once started a thread on the wattage list titled "you can't touch this", describing apparently impossible workouts based on the normalized power requirement.)
Can you talk a bit about how you would calculate normalized power of something like 6 x 3 mins @ 5k pace w/ 2 mins recovery jog and 5 x 4 mins @ 5k pace w/ 2 mins recovery jog?
Wow, THE Andrew Coggan taking time out from inhaling his own farts to grace us
thanksandrew wrote:
Can you talk a bit about how you would calculate normalized power of something like 6 x 3 mins @ 5k pace w/ 2 mins recovery jog and 5 x 4 mins @ 5k pace w/ 2 mins recovery jog?
Hi Andrew,
I would also appreciate how you might calculate the differences between the two.
Misguided Mess wrote:
Seems like a nice old man but he likes to make any success about himself which inherently takes away from the athlete. Joe Vigil has always done this. “Deena and I did this.....”. NO JOE, DEENA DID IT.
I think being an old man allows him to get away with it.
Salazar has a good mix. Terrence always had a good mix as well. Hansons go the other way and make it too much about the athlete. So does Schumacher.
I do like any coach that is willing to do a podcast. Athletes sound uninformed when they try to explain their own training.
This aged well
Hey at least Salazr gives the athletes credit for starving themselves
So wrong this guy!
rare wrote:
This is pretty accurate, considering how Tinman has claimed his star pupil isn’t talented- as if it’s only his coaching that brought Hunter to that level.
Agree 100%
Did everyone realize that, the art of running fast, is knowing that you have to relax, and practicing it?
This stuff is way above my head but trying my best to process this amazing revelation.