How long would it take to build? Should they start building before they raise $30bn or whatever?
How long would it take to build? Should they start building before they raise $30bn or whatever?
Banana Bread wrote:
Banana Bread>>>Move there! wrote:
Help us all, you are too ignorant to exist! Dig a hole and don't come out. What a mental midget you are.
Is that your counter argument? I guess the debate team was rough on you in school. Don't worry I will keep away from your safe place.
No one needs to counter argue something so obviously a$$ backwards.
Speaking for the entire forum, you're not the sharpest tool in the shed.
And the poster was right, you don't live there so your liberal a$$ opinion means nothing. Reality is at the border, not in your mind.
Mango Mussolini wrote:
Ciro wrote:
Help me understand this.
A man who went to another country armed to the teeth and dictated policy to the natives and was part of system that murdered millions of Iraqis is now while back home and wants to stop people coming to his country that will take up jobs that he cannot do?
You couldn't make it up.
What are talking about? What has this got to do with failing to Trump's failures? He failed to make the Mexicans pay for a wall, as Trump asserted. He failed to persuade politicians to build the wall, regardless of who is paying for it. Remember, he says he is a good deal-maker. Why can't he take a break from failure?
Obama couldn't. He wanted border security as well, but failed. A wall or 1000's of agents is for the same reason, to keep people out. Obama failed and so did Clinton (who also wanted a wall). Biased much?
Mango Mussolini wrote:
Ciro wrote:
Help me understand this.
A man who went to another country armed to the teeth and dictated policy to the natives and was part of system that murdered millions of Iraqis is now while back home and wants to stop people coming to his country that will take up jobs that he cannot do?
You couldn't make it up.
What are talking about? What has this got to do with failing to Trump's failures? He failed to make the Mexicans pay for a wall, as Trump asserted. He failed to persuade politicians to build the wall, regardless of who is paying for it. Remember, he says he is a good deal-maker. Why can't he take a break from failure?
I think my point went over your head.
I'm talking about the chancer who started the go fund me campaign not Tiny.
You gotta love this:
Trump Entertainment Resorts wrote:
You gotta love this:
https://www.gofundme.com/ladders-to-get-over-trump039s-wall
Geezus, I'm sure "Rafts for Cubans" would get a higher percentage to goal than what this will do.
Correct answer wrote:
Democrats choose illegals over Americans every time.
Anyone who supports reducing immigration is choosing racism over the best interests of the American economy. The FACT is that there is a labor shortage in America that is already impacting employers across the country. At a time when the economy is doing well overall, workforce growth is about one percent and the participation rate is barely budging. This problem will only get worse as the years go by and more and more Boomers retire and start collecting their government paychecks. It is a problem of simple demographics and basic math and immigrants are a SOLUTION, not a boogeyman. If you want to argue about how they come here, I'm happy to do that as long as we agree on the need for MORE immigration in end, rather than less. Of course, that will never happen, because Trump supporters refuse to acknowledge reality.
Democrats lose again
And if you want more and more immigration, then yes, we will succeed in keeping wages down for every American while making the rich even more rich and increasing the gap between the rich and poor. The gap is expanding every year with the amount of immigrants that come here.
The amount of immigrants that come here needs to balance the ability for the wages to increase at the same rate as inflation, nothing more or less.
That is all you will get by having this extreme amount of immigration, much poorer Americans till we become just like any other 3rd world country, illegal or legal.
The Gallant Pig Man wrote:
Correct answer wrote:
Democrats choose illegals over Americans every time.
Anyone who supports reducing immigration is choosing racism over the best interests of the American economy.
And the fact that you think this has anything to do with racism just tells me you really don't understand the issues that too much immigration has on a country.
The country currently has more immigrants by % since the 1890's, and people (mostly poor people) wonder why wages are not increasing like it did before the 1969 immigration act.
History teaches us that immigration is what helped build this country into the greatest, richest, most powerful country on earth. There's no difference between the Italian immigrant from a hundred years ago who came to this country with nothing in his pocket and unable to speak English and the Mexican immigrant of today. Does your paranoia about immigrants apply to your own ancestors?
Bromonetarist wrote:
How long would it take to build?
No idea but you are probably looking at several years, The bulk of the existing 653 miles of fencing took about three years to erect and the total border is nearly 2,000 miles.
Bromonetarist wrote:
Should they start building before they raise $30bn or whatever?
Yes. they can start as soon as they get dedicated funding. In fact this is the usual tactic for megaprojects. It also works to the government's favour. Once they have spent X billion but haven't finished the project then it's either scrap it and walk away from the money spent or add a few more billion and finish the project. Invariably the answer is to spend the extra and get something for your money. For example, the Navy's newest aircraft carrier, the USS Gerald R Ford was supposed to cost $10.6B but ended up costing $13B. If they hadn't spent the additional $2.4B the taxpayer would have ended up with the world's most expensive bathtub.
The wall is different though. If they run out of money after building 500 miles of wall at least there is 500 miles of wall. So in that sense the money spent would not be wasted. Of course, in the extremely unlikely event that politicians and contractors are devious and scheming, (sarcasm) then they would build 2000 miles of foundations with the available money and then turn to the taxpayer and say, "You have to give us more money as the current wall is only one inch high."
Democrats lose again wrote:
Democrats lose again
Who wins?
Dictators in other countries Trump continues to cave too?
Trump Foundation ? Maybe they can distribute/administer the funds!
You people are silly.
Democrats lose again wrote:
Democrats lose again
You were promised that Mexico would pay for the wall and you think you've won, you're really that stupid?
Why aren’t we building a wall along the northern border as well? Not enough brown folk pouring in?
Alan
Looks like they have raised enough for 1-2 months of operations and maintenance. They do know that they will have to raise tens of millions every year for O&M, correct. They need a simultaneous future pledge page.
johnny99 wrote:
History teaches us that immigration is what helped build this country into the greatest, richest, most powerful country on earth. There's no difference between the Italian immigrant from a hundred years ago who came to this country with nothing in his pocket and unable to speak English and the Mexican immigrant of today. Does your paranoia about immigrants apply to your own ancestors?
Yes, there are many differences! Again, so uniformed! The most important one is that one legally entered the country and the other mostly illegally.
That should be enough of a reason to understand why they are different. One was allowed into the country through a vetting process, has to stay in dorms for months at a time before finally getting legal entry into this country. Many were sent back for many reasons.
The other is not going through any vetting process and doesn't have any willingness to follow the laws to get into the country and are a disproportionate amount of our prisoners currently in our jails.
And when Italian immigrants came to this country, there was no free health care, food stamps, cash aid and money assistance, whereas the majority of illegal immigrants that come to this country, currently receive some form of free money. That again, is why you can't have open borders.
There are other things as well. But the fact that we have an immigration process that you feel like people can ignore is your issue, and you should fight to change that, but to think it should be ignored cause Italians came here legally without any free assistance over 100 years ago (a whole different time and place) when they got here is beyond dumb imo.
deer in headlights wrote:
The Gallant Pig Man wrote:
Anyone who supports reducing immigration is choosing racism over the best interests of the American economy.
And the fact that you think this has anything to do with racism just tells me you really don't understand the issues that too much immigration has on a country.
The country currently has more immigrants by % since the 1890's, and people (mostly poor people) wonder why wages are not increasing like it did before the 1969 immigration act.
One political party opposes minimum wage at all costs.
Ciro wrote:
Democrats lose again wrote:
Democrats lose again
You were promised that Mexico would pay for the wall and you think you've won, you're really that stupid?
You were promised National Health Care and that you could keep your own plan. Instead, middle-class deductibles soared thru the roof along with many other health care related costs. Did you think you won with Obummer?
Both sides do it dipsh*t!!!
deer in headlights wrote:
And if you want more and more immigration, then yes, we will succeed in keeping wages down for every American while making the rich even more rich and increasing the gap between the rich and poor. The gap is expanding every year with the amount of immigrants that come here.
The amount of immigrants that come here needs to balance the ability for the wages to increase at the same rate as inflation, nothing more or less.
That is all you will get by having this extreme amount of immigration, much poorer Americans till we become just like any other 3rd world country, illegal or legal.
Nothing you just said has any basis in reality. Sorry!