BREAKING: GoFundMe for Border Wall: $1 Million and Counting

The troll getting all the money just by posting a GoFundMe page and pretending to build a wall -- this troll is going to go down in history as the greatest troll ever!

He puts all the other Russians and Ukranians trolling the right wing to shame. All they are doing is getting trumpies to froth at the mouth.

This genius is getting them to give him money!

Prick face idiot wrote:

stop cut and pasting stats from right wing think tanks.

Oh and one last thing, the information I gave is from USA Today and the Government Accountability Office (GAO).

NOT RIGHT WING SITES. Oops, with that all caps again, sorry.

You uninformed nice person who goes around calling people prick idiots!

One of the funniest comments I read about this whole thing...

"Wait, I thought Mexico was going to pay for the wall. Some of these names on the list of donors don't sound very Mexican at all. Lisa Jones? Travis Smith? Bob Hunter?"

A wall at the Mexican border is not designed to stop all the people in the world coming to the USA. You mentioned that 2.4bn might want to come to the USA or other Western countries. Just as Mexicans tend to go to the USA, north Africans tend to go to Europe. The amount of illegal immigration for Mexico and central and southern American to the USA is far more significant than from any other country.

A lot of the crime is drug-related. End the war on drugs and the source of this violence will disappear.

Even if you take away the illegal aliens in jail, the USA still has a much higher rate of incarceration. This doesn't appear to be a problem. If people don't like paying for foreigners to be in jail, why aren't they bothered that so many US citizens are in jail?

I don't know if illegal immigrants are a net benefit or cost, but do you have an estimate for the gross economic benefit they provide? How much do they produce? How much less do employers pay them than? Any thoughts on the benefits which are difficult to quantify (e.g. jobs which are hard to fill, except by immigrants)

If we had some estimates on this, it would be easier to form an overall view.

Attention all ignorants on the far right. The majority of illegals in the USA are due to visa overstays , not illegal border crossings. Try becoming educated. It works!

Border security has always made sense to me wrote:

Just donated $100

Really? You fell for the fake border wall Go-Fund-Me page? Your not serious, right?

Banana Bread wrote:

I personally believe there should be no wall. I'm sure there are many good people trying to escape poverty and harmful people and develop a new better life for themselves. If anyone bad crosses the border there is a thing called jail. They can just be put there. This country has more money then brains. It is such a waste of resources when we could be building rockets to explore space and the bottom of the oceans. These are more important issues then some arbitrary line across a piece of land which we call a border

Wow!

That's the first time I read something from Banana Bread which makes sense.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. The "great wall" has decades of history and has always failed. Do some research. The various legal issues prevent the wall from being built. Entities other than the federal government - states, Indian tribes, private individuals - control over two-thirds of borderland property. Private parties own the vast majority of the border in Texas. Money or not, the wall ain't gonna happen.

This campaign has a goal of $1B and Trump has recently demanded $5B for the wall. However, $5B is inly the first installment of the funding. The exact cost is unknown but estimates have steadily increased from Trumps initial estimate of $4B:

September 2015: Then candidate Trump said that while some estimates put the wall’s cost at $10 billion, he could build it for $4 billion.

November 2015: In less than two months time, his estimate went up to $6 billion to $7 billion. (The cost for the wall if someone else were to build it doubled to $20 billion, per Trump.)

February 2016: At the beginning of the month, Trump added another billion to his quote to make it $8 billion. Just a few days later, he upped the estimate to $10 billion to $12 billion.

March 2016: Trump reconsidered, again, putting the cost at $5 billion to $10 billion.

July 2016: By this time, others were jumping into the cost-estimation game. In a widely quoted analyst note, Bernstein Research put it at $15 billion to $25 billion.

January 2017: Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell said it would cost between $12 billion to $15 billion.

February 2017: A leaked report from the Department of Homeland Security put it much higher, at $21.6 billion.

April 2017: On April 18, a group of Democratic staffers at the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs published an estimate of $66.9 billion. They came to it by extrapolating per-mile costs based on Trump’s initial request for wall funding, which covers less than 200 miles. On April 21, Trump told the AP that he could build the wall for $10 billion or less.

December 2018: “We’re talking about a wall for $20 billion, $15 billion," Trump said at a Project Safe Neighborhoods conference in Kansas City, Mo. "I could even do it cheaper if I have to, and it will be better than anyone’s ever seen a wall."

The consensus seems to be settling in at about $20B. However, that is the cost estimate, mega projects have a notorious history of cost overruns, and those run by the government even more so. A leading expert on cost overruns is Bent Flyvbjerg, a Danish professor of planning. His co-authored 2003 book, Megaprojects and Risk, concluded that “cost overruns of 50 percent to 100 percent in real terms are common in megaprojects.”. So, the wall could well end up costing something like $30B or more.

Currently the GoFundMe account has raised about $12M in 4 days. At this rate it will take 6,667 days, or over 18 years to raise cost estimate amount. If the project goes over cost then the account will probably have to run for another 9 years.

NotGonnaHappen wrote:

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. The "great wall" has decades of history and has always failed. Do some research. The various legal issues prevent the wall from being built. Entities other than the federal government - states, Indian tribes, private individuals - control over two-thirds of borderland property. Private parties own the vast majority of the border in Texas. Money or not, the wall ain't gonna happen.

Maybe they'll just build the wall on the 1/3 the federal government owns?

Even if the federal government TRIES to claim imminent domain and take the land from the private owners, it will get tied up in the legal system for years, if not decades. You'd have an ungodly number of lawsuits, all in different court systems, all with different judges, plus the appeals process(es) that would take place.

Also, no way in hell is this going to be done for only $5 billion as Trump claims. NO WAY. Actual cost, if it ever happens, will probably be more than $30 billion. Please, when was the last time the federal government was involved in something and it came in under or at budget.

Isn't that because the government is so inefficient? I can do it much more cheaply by hiring illegal immigrants. Believe me, believe me.

Help me understand this.

A man who went to another country armed to the teeth and dictated policy to the natives and was part of system that murdered millions of Iraqis is now while back home and wants to stop people coming to his country that will take up jobs that he cannot do?

You couldn't make it up.

Raddison wrote:

This campaign has a goal of $1B and Trump has recently thrown a tantrum

Currently the GoFundMe account has raised about $12M in 4 days. At this rate it will take 6,667 days, or over 18 years to raise cost estimate amount. If the project goes over cost then the account will probably have to run for another 9 years.

They should just put the money in bitcoin. $12m will be worth well over $1bn in 2020 (John MacAfee said so!), so if they get to a $100m over the next month or so, they easily have $10-20bn in 2020. Then they probably can get a bit of funding from the government if necessary.

Millions of Iraqis? Seriously? The population was only about 27 million when the war began. So we killed what, 10% or more of their entire population? Jesus, and people thought WW2 was bad. WW2 was clearly a tiny little war compared to the massacre in Iraq. Do the math; we had to be killing a minimum of 600+ every single day of the war to reach even 2 million.

Funny, the population of Iraq is around 40 million today. How does that work?

And I'm sure all of the deaths were Trump's fault, right?

Ciro wrote:

Help me understand this.

A man who went to another country armed to the teeth and dictated policy to the natives and was part of system that murdered millions of Iraqis is now while back home and wants to stop people coming to his country that will take up jobs that he cannot do?

You couldn't make it up.

What he really wants is for stupid suckers to keep sending him their money. I, for one, support him in his quest to dupe these fools.

turn off CNN wrote:

Millions of Iraqis? Seriously? The population was only about 27 million when the war began. So we killed what, 10% or more of their entire population? Jesus, and people thought WW2 was bad. WW2 was clearly a tiny little war compared to the massacre in Iraq. Do the math; we had to be killing a minimum of 600+ every single day of the war to reach even 2 million.

Funny, the population of Iraq is around 40 million today. How does that work?

And I'm sure all of the deaths were Trump's fault, right?

While there is no official tally, there were hundreds of thousands of civilian Iraqi's killed at a minimum. Make light of that if you want. And, by the way, those deaths were largely the fault of Republicans. The violence in Latin America that is driving people to the US? Also largely the product of stupid policies supported by Republicans.

Perhaps the wrong turn of phrase but by any reasonable account, tens or hundreds of thousands.

I blame the government of the time, the generals and the foot soldiers.

The overall point I made still stands even if you won't address it. The irony is huge here.

Ciro wrote:

Help me understand this.

A man who went to another country armed to the teeth and dictated policy to the natives and was part of system that murdered millions of Iraqis is now while back home and wants to stop people coming to his country that will take up jobs that he cannot do?

You couldn't make it up.

What are talking about? What has this got to do with failing to Trump's failures? He failed to make the Mexicans pay for a wall, as Trump asserted. He failed to persuade politicians to build the wall, regardless of who is paying for it. Remember, he says he is a good deal-maker. Why can't he take a break from failure?

Country without borders is not a country wrote:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/19/trump-border-wall-gofundme-crowdfunding-campaign-launched-florida-veteran/2371273002/

Democrats choose illegals over Americans every time.