History buffs come in - Kirov VS Forbes VS Warren VS Werner 1980 Post Moscow

never was aware that there was an 8 Nation Games.

40 years since the Olympic boycott.

I have not read any conclusions if, in retrospect, the boycott was a good idea and if it accomplished anything other than an Eastern bloc boycott in 1984.

Soviets in Afghanistan in 1980 was a bad thing ?

Americans in Afghanistan in 2018 is a good thing ?

I stopped watching when 49 seconds went by and they were still 40m from the bell. Who the hell cares who won. I don't even want to know. I'm not going there.

Bad Wigins wrote:

I stopped watching when 49 seconds went by and they were still 40m from the bell. Who the hell cares who won. I don't even want to know. I'm not going there.

I find it interesting that it was an even slower race than Moscow, and yet Kirov couldn't even hold off the fourth best Brit in Forbes.

DWottle wrote:

never was aware that there was an 8 Nation Games.

40 years since the Olympic boycott.

I have not read any conclusions if, in retrospect, the boycott was a good idea and if it accomplished anything other than an Eastern bloc boycott in 1984.

Soviets in Afghanistan in 1980 was a bad thing ?

Americans in Afghanistan in 2018 is a good thing ?

I guess this was an attempt by the Japanese to stage a sort of boycott free 'what would have happened' kind of post Moscow event, but it seems not too many of the top stars turned up.

Yes, with hindsight the boycott was a complete waste of time. The Soviets were trying to enforce an atheist secular society on Afghanistan and it would have been a boon for humanity if they had succeeded. Certainly 9/11 would never have happened.

Women in Kabul 1970s :

A woman in Kabul in 2000s :

It shows how little you understand the sport of t&f when you think that athletes (other than your favorites) are in the same shape from race to race.

Like when you like to brag that Jakob beat Barega and then "obviously" Barega was "doped to the gills" when he ran his 12:43.

Keep on posting the videos. Thanks for these.

Leave the political crap out of LRC, there's enough of it already.

sun rising wrote:

It shows how little you understand the sport of t&f when you think that athletes (other than your favorites) are in the same shape from race to race.

Like when you like to brag that Jakob beat Barega and then "obviously" Barega was "doped to the gills" when he ran his 12:43.

Keep on posting the videos. Thanks for these.

Leave the political crap out of LRC, there's enough of it already.

Every thread on Jakob and the usual suspects are claiming he must be doping (because he's a white kid running faster than 'naturally superior' East Africans). Similar with Coe.

Do you round on them?

At least you can't accuse me of racism here. Now it's down to 'favoritism to my favorites' (over Soviet and GDR athletes, who never, never doped).

I'm not exactly the only one who finds Barega suspicious here. Last time I checked Ethiopia was on the IAAF watch list and is infamous for out of control EPO doping, not Norway.

Coevett wrote:

Peter Hoffman has uploaded another high quality rarity. This one is the 1980 'Eight Nation Games' in Tokyo, post-Moscow.

Scottish runner Paul Forbes (I guess the reason it was uploaded) takes on Hans Peter Ferner (who was to win European Gold in 82 beating an ill Coe), Kirov (who had just won the bronze behind Ovett and Coe in Moscow) and Dave Warren who had won the third place selection for the British team in Moscow ahead of Forbes (and finished last in the final).

Didn't Ventolin and some other trolls claim that Werner would have beaten both Coe and Ovett in Moscow?

https://youtu.be/mHrGmokIa48

Wow! Never seen that race before. Great find.

I seem to recall Ventolin stating that Wulbeck (not Ferner, who was hardly known at this stage) would have been a threat to Coe and Ovett in Moscow.

The last 200m for Forbes was 26.0 in a 1:49.8. When one considers that Coe ran a 24.1 last 200m in a 1:47.2 in the Europa Cup final in 79 (in lane 2 for last bend) and Ovett ran a 25.0 in a 1:45.4 in Moscow, the standard in this race was a level below what the likes of Coe and Ovett were capable of at the time. For Forbes though, probably his most memorable win.

BTW, politics came into this thread because nobody appeared interested in it and it didn't get a reply until 2 days later when some guy made a point about the Moscow boycott.

Thanks Deano. I hope Peter Hoffman has some more to upload. I wonder where he is getting hold of these rare high quality videos?