In my opinion, he nearly has with his performances this season, the best year ever by a junior runner. Do you think in the next few years his older brothers will be able to stay at his level or will he overtake them?
In my opinion, he nearly has with his performances this season, the best year ever by a junior runner. Do you think in the next few years his older brothers will be able to stay at his level or will he overtake them?
Yes.
Yes.
I wish I could get a hold of whatever he is taking
Not yet, his brother ran 3:30.01 for 1500 he is at 3:31.18 and his other brother is at 3:31.46, hopefully they all go under 3:30 next year, and Maybe Jakob gets the WJR of 3:28.81 which is also the European record, he only has next year to get the WJR so it will be tough, It is a given he will get the European record at some point, I also think Mourhit's European Records of 7:26.62 for 3000 and 12:49 for 5000 will be gone in 3 years.
I can't see him getting Kipketer' record of 1:40.91 at 800
I can see him being the First European under 8 minutes in the Steeple, his father said he can already run under an hour for the Half Marathon, so Farah's 59:22 will not last long.
Dirtball wrote:
In my opinion, he nearly has with his performances this season, the best year ever by a junior runner. Do you think in the next few years his older brothers will be able to stay at his level or will he overtake them?
I think he has already if you're asking has he surpassed their achievements. To the second part of your question, he surely will overtake them in the next few years, unless as some people here think he's suddenly going to burn out.
He will probably surpass everybody next year except Tim, and probably Tim by Tokyo. The biggest threat at 1500m is probably Manangoi junior, and it looks like he might actually not be an age cheat, judging from recent photos. So he could be his big rival assuming Ouma's boys are clean and wont be affected by the better testing finally being introduced. The threats at 5000m are almost certainly age cheats and doping to the max, something even the Epiopians probably wont be able to do next year and beyond (without getting busted hopefully).
Probably won't happen. The late WCs throws the season's peak off and devalues a TT at Monaco. Unless someone's having a great (or poorly planned) year, it should be slower than usual.
Definitely won't happen.
He won't approach Mo's level for years, if at all. MAYBE he'll get it as a capstone a la Cacho, but that'd probably be in a fast, losing race against Africans.
LOL
I like how the basic question for your analysis is "Will he get every European distance record?" as if that's a reasonable question to ask of a 0-time European record holder.
A LT test is done in lab. Most likely not sufficient data to determine a time in a real race involving a course, weather, and competitors. Unless you claim these factors are negligible or accounted for in the calculations.
Dunno what you mean by 'surpass'. Tim 'surpassed' Elijah's times but Elijah still routinely outkicks him and everyone else in the major championships. Elijah is #1, Tim is #2, and both will still be better than Jakob come Tokyo.
Why exactly? Because he's younger? Elijah and Tim aren't old men, they'll still be good enough to smack George and Jakob around in Tokyo and probably beyond.
Please enlighten me about the non-arbitrary, scientifically-derived criteria you use to accurately determine age from photos.
I think you mean Jakob could be his big rival. George is an 800-1500 guy, he'll most likely continue to beat Jakob in championships.
But if Barega and Kejelcha are still around by Tokyo, even though you won't openly admit Jakob has no chance, you'll definitely stop talking about his potential at 5k.
XC Euro Championship gave some answers, they have all progressed during autumn (Henrik was ill at the day and ran just for the team); Filip has progressed tremendously in the long distance and won easy, he said "I have been working on all my weaknesses for a long time" and once he is with the best at long distance endurance he will be hard to beat in anything from 1500 to 10000.
Henrik has never been better according to Gjert, so then, Jakob:
Even if he won the U20 comfortably at the euroxc I do not think it was anything near what Filip did, part of the reason may be that it was muddy conditions and Filip just danced on top of the surface with his light body whereas Jakob is (slightly) heavier build.
My answer to your main question is no, and I believe Filip is the best of them at the moment, for the rest of the questions, any answer fit I guess; it will be exciting years to come.
Hasn't yet, but will.
Has Kenenisa surpassed his brother, Tariku?
douglas burke wrote:
Not yet, his brother ran 3:30.01 for 1500 he is at 3:31.18 and his other brother is at 3:31.46, hopefully they all go under 3:30 next year, and Maybe Jakob gets the WJR of 3:28.81 which is also the European record, he only has next year to get the WJR so it will be tough, It is a given he will get the European record at some point, I also think Mourhit's European Records of 7:26.62 for 3000 and 12:49 for 5000 will be gone in 3 years.
I can't see him getting Kipketer' record of 1:40.91 at 800
I can see him being the First European under 8 minutes in the Steeple, his father said he can already run under an hour for the Half Marathon, so Farah's 59:22 will not last long.
Kipketer never ran 1:40, buddy. He and Rudisha don't look very alike, either.
I agree Manangoi senior is the better championship runner than Tim at the moment, but what I mean is only Tim might still be able to beat Jakob in a couple of years (if Tim is finally getting it right in championship races by then).
Manangoi finished just ahead of Jakob in the last race of the season. I doubt very much he'll ever beat Jakob again (outdoors from next summer, at least). I think his younger brother has more potential.
Lol, Jakob has already whipped Barega in a championship final.
Coevett wrote:
Manangoi finished just ahead of Jakob in the last race of the season. I doubt very much he'll ever beat Jakob again (outdoors from next summer, at least).
Well that dream will be crushed.
george oscar bluth wrote:
douglas burke wrote:
Not yet, his brother ran 3:30.01 for 1500 he is at 3:31.18 and his other brother is at 3:31.46, hopefully they all go under 3:30 next year, and Maybe Jakob gets the WJR of 3:28.81 which is also the European record, he only has next year to get the WJR so it will be tough, It is a given he will get the European record at some point, I also think Mourhit's European Records of 7:26.62 for 3000 and 12:49 for 5000 will be gone in 3 years.
I can't see him getting Kipketer' record of 1:40.91 at 800
I can see him being the First European under 8 minutes in the Steeple, his father said he can already run under an hour for the Half Marathon, so Farah's 59:22 will not last long.
Kipketer never ran 1:40, buddy. He and Rudisha don't look very alike, either.
Yeah, I can’t believe no one called that out before you.
Has he really ran the best season of any junior ever? I’d be curious to hear others responding to that.
And yeah, I could see him breaking 3:30 and 13, which is incredible, but some of you guys are perhaps overhyping him a teensy bit.
Best season of any junior has to be Kipchoge. Doped age cheat or not, officially he was a clean junior and nothing Jakob has done comes close to beating El G and prime Bekele in a WC 5k. Or 12:5x.
Filip has a world championship bronze. Until Jakob gets an Olympic or World Championship medal, he hasn't surpassed him yet. I'm not saying he won't do it. He obviously has the talent to get one sooner or later. Still, until he does, Filip has that one accomplishment hanging over his head.
Could very well be the case. Despite Elijah’s record in competition I agree that Tim seems to be on the upswing moreso than him.
My point is that Jakob is vulnerable to an 800/1500 guy, especially when he doubles up like he’s been doing. Jakob had a great season and great times but that doesn’t equal the ability to beat a kicker whose legs are fresher. George simply has the natural upper hand.
True. I concede that Barega seems (and has even admitted to being) poor in tactical races.
Lion Man wrote:
Believe me fool coevett, they will be caught next year before world championship...
Seb and Paula will cover it up, whities need to stick together.
Filip is still clearly better. His euro xc senior championship shows great strength to go with his already excellent speed, so I see no reason that if he is healthy he will not run 3:28 high or 3:29 low next year and compete for another world medal. Jakob will give him a test and the gap has closed enormously in one year, but it is still there.
As for Barega, don't give me the lol. He ran 12:43, said he had much more in the tank, and might well go sub 12:40 or even challenge Bekele's record this year if he gets another Kejelcha sacrifice. Right now, he is easily the best in the world at the 5.
I don't know how he got that way or what was the "difference" from World Juniors to Brussels, but you can't say that he was the same athlete in the two races.