Daniels' 5k plan - what mileage variation and incorporating hill repeats

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You might get more replies if you didn't confuse Hanson and Hudson.

My mistake, but that's not relevant.

Anybody want to help, or will this board continue to live up to its reputation as the 4chan of running?

Daniels 5k wrote:

My mistake, but that's not relevant.

Anybody want to help, or will this board continue to live up to its reputation as the 4chan of running?

We are not your personal army.

AA wrote:

Daniels 5k wrote:

My mistake, but that's not relevant.

Anybody want to help, or will this board continue to live up to its reputation as the 4chan of running?

We are not your personal army.

I'll take that as you don't have an answer or understand Daniels.

Anybody else?

Jack Daniels JTupper never coached anyone of significance over 5000m.

Do not use his program as any part of a guide.

Daniels 5k wrote:

AA wrote:

We are not your personal army.

I'll take that as you don't have an answer or understand Daniels.

Anybody else?

He's right. We're not your personal army and this isn't a place to ask whether it's acceptable to run hills.

That's such a weird question when you really think about it.

HobbyJoggerSpotted wrote:

Daniels 5k wrote:

I'll take that as you don't have an answer or understand Daniels.

Anybody else?

He's right. We're not your personal army and this isn't a place to ask whether it's acceptable to run hills.

That's such a weird question when you really think about it.

I'm asking where in the plan to incorporate long hill sprints (200m+), and when in a training program to peak in Hill volume and then cut back. Hudson suggests peaking and then backing off, so my plan is to do that and replace some of Daniels Phase II work and peak at the end of phase II. I mostly would like to know if this is good timing. But again, my biggest question is mileage variation. As of now I plan to do what I've always done and peak about 8 weeks out and hold until 4 weeks out. Just looking for validation or critique, not a few classic LRCBF morans commenting on a post they obviously just don't have the knowledge to answer. Any constructive replies are appreciated. P.S. - unless you're breaking 4 in the mile, 14 in a 5k, 60m in a half, etc., you are also a hobby jogger. Sorry to burst your bubble.

I will give you the first legitimate response to this. I used the Daniels 5k plan and I went from 19:05 before the season down to 18:09. During phase 1 I built up from 45 mpw to 60 mpw over 5 weeks and then held 60 mpw until the end of phase 3. In phase 4 I was running 40-45 mpw. The mileage was challenging for me at first but during phase 3 when the workouts really matter I felt adapted to it. Cutting back in phase 4 was nice and I felt basically fresh before every race. I probably could have kept slowly building during phase 2 but my highest mileage before this was low 50s so I didn't want to push it too much.

I would recommend doing hill work in phase 2 but not phase 3 where you should be really focused on nailing the tempos and I pace workouts.

He coached a female marathon Olympic Silver medalist , 3 sub-2;10 men marathoners, another female Olympian in the marathon and a 31:12 female 10k Olympian + a good female ultra runner.

That half time isn't in line with the mile time you require. Way harder by vdot.

Hudson's 5k plan uses 8s hill sprints. Are you doing a 200m hill sprint in 8s? If so you're 5k goal is super soft unless you're terrible at endurance, in which case you should be running more not worrying about hill reps. If not, then a 200m hill rep is a different stimulus than the one Hudson has in his plan.

Daniels 5k - May I suggest something? If you are really serious about this and want what I consider some of the best conversation on these boards, hop over to the weekly RRTT thread (Road Racing and Training Thread). There are several of us with the goal of a sub-17 5k, and in the past have had great conversation about training methods and where edits and changes have been made. There are some great minds on that thread, and most of the time it is very civil and constructive.

I too trend to a more Daniels style of training, and have been thinking about how to add some hills and how that might help me achieve my goals.

If you're dedicated to the goal, want to post weekly of your progress, or just want to lurk and read that thread, it's well worth it. I've found that having a place to post my week has made me more accountable to myself, and dedicated to continue towards my goal.

My two cents... FWIW.

- LancRunner

Thanks! I'll check it out. I didn't realize this was a thing.

Hudson specifically calls out long hill repeats (200m+) in addition to the sprints.