Tom "Tinman" Schwartz Videos - Boulder Running Clinics

So if you pay, can you only watch the videos once, or multiple time??

Hi Jay,

You don't know me but we have mutual acquaintances. I also have a copy of your book as well as one of your old foundational strength DVDs, thanks for all the work you do. I'll be buying the Tinman content, it's worth it just in the fact of being able to access that information without having to be in Boulder and burning a day attending the clinic. Much respect to you and to Tom and his Tinman Elite.

Long live Goldwin TC.

Thanks for the direct response, Jay! And for addressing other thoughts in the thread as well.

Interesting to hear how this relates/doesn't relate to your book. And given what you wrote, I have to say I'm not the target audience for your book, either. I read it (multiple times) and took in the principles and applied them to my own training. Which I know you say not to do, but it is the same I do with Hansons, Daniels, Pfitzinger, Hudson and others (again, wishing Tom had a book). I do continue to do the lunge matrix daily. Lots of Core-X, too.

As for writing, it can be hard. It takes time and practice. I know this from watching my wife, who IS a writer, write every morning. She gets up and writes 60 to 100 minutes fist thing with her coffee. In that time she produces between 1,000 and 2,000 words (depending on the project). On the rare days she does not produce new content, she edits/re-writes sections. This comes out to 400 to 450k words a year.

So your 1,200 in 2 hours is pretty close to her output. I think the reason she would say it's not hard for her is because she does it every day. While she writes, I run. She also runs, but she doesn't know the beauty of an easy 10 miler. That's because she doesn't run every day. She likes it, but it's not the easiest thing for her. She dabbles. She runs 5k's from time to time. But it is not her pursuit.

This is not to say writing should be your (or Tom's) pursuit. Just don't write it off too quickly:)

I'm still considering the videos. But I'm not a coach. Just a guy who likes to read and run.

i'm not buying if you can only watch once. otherwise i will.

Jay, I love what you're doing. I'm sorry it's not more profitable. I hope you continue to do it anyway!

xvbnvb wrote:

i'm not buying if you can only watch once. otherwise i will.

You can watch an unlimited number of times - my apologies for that not being clear.

Perhaps someone can explain more elegently than I can that the content is on the cloud, and you can stream an unlimited number of times. You do not have the video file on your phone/tablet/computer. Basically, if you watch videos on your phone/tablet/computer currently, you'll be able to do the same with these videos.

I too appreciate the heart and effort you put in to the sport Jay, and I hope that you don't come out behind on this project (and ahead enough that you are encouraged to keep putting things like this together).

Thank you!

To answer the question a couple of folks have put out there, I have purchased the videos, and have watched one of them multiple times as a test. Access seems unlimited once purchased.

I don't particularly like the app, and I don't really have faith that these will be available in perpetuity (or something reasonably close for the next decade anyway), but this is where they are, and it seems a fair deal.

Is he having another running clinic soon? (after winter) If so how are we able to sign up?

Bay Area runner wrote:

Is he having another running clinic soon? (after winter) If so how are we able to sign up?

Clinic January 18th and 19th in Boulder.

"When I asked Tom if he would do a one-day clinic - an endurance event in itself - my thought was, "the self-coached runner who loves writing their own training will want this information." Time will tell if that's true. "

I can fully confirm that's true! Really great stuff in these seminars, even for me who read twice the whole "Therunzone.com" forum to learn all I can from Tinman.

Again, great stuff for the self trained runner!

whats schwartz' background?

oldschoollearning wrote:

I will check out the freebies and consider. But honestly, I'm way more into buying a training book than a video. I wish more pros/coaches were putting out books.

Thanks to you, Jay, for putting out a book. I've gotten a lot out of it. And I think these seminars are cool. But I would so much rather have a book to consult than a video.

Tinman does have a book (sort of). He is a co-author with Pete Magill on "Build Your Running Body". I like the book, but it irritates me that critical velocity training is a central element to Tinman training, yet gets zero mention in his book. It is unclear to me what, if anything, Tinman contributed to the book beyond the use of his name.

Chief Niwot wrote:

Hi Jay,

You don't know me but we have mutual acquaintances. I also have a copy of your book as well as one of your old foundational strength DVDs, thanks for all the work you do. I'll be buying the Tinman content, it's worth it just in the fact of being able to access that information without having to be in Boulder and burning a day attending the clinic. Much respect to you and to Tom and his Tinman Elite.

Long live Goldwin TC.

Thanks for your kind words.

DVD was Building a Better Runner. That is over a decade old, and much of SAM and Core X are from those videos.

Interesting to think that being able to watch at your leisure is better than being at the clinic for a day. Great perspective as I view it the other way. This thread has been really helpful in that respect - seeing the disconnect between what my assumptions are about videos and clinics vs. what people want and will buy.

Goldwin TC - classic! I wish I had one of those warm-ups.

When the RWTB crew got together in October and were talking about our glory days - Wells still has glory days, recent US Masters Marathon Champ - several times there was the "Can you believe we ran in those heavy cotton shirts!" On any of the long runs in the winter you'd be pretty cold. Bloody nipples were part of my winter training until I got smart and used band-aids. Then we'd go to the Village in our wet clothes and eat the least healthy meal in Boulder. Idiots.

Thanks for supporting this project.

Shoebacca wrote:

Jay, I love what you're doing. I'm sorry it's not more profitable. I hope you continue to do it anyway!

Never intended to for this to be an important part of my income, but other things, such as the high school clinic in January, do need to be profitable. I hope I can continue to do it too!

You better figure out how to make Gary slow down his talk in 2019. Great presenter, but can only catch every 3rd word. His steeple presentation was great at coaches clinic a few years back and was very gracious with answering questions repeatedly over email afterwards.

I have no doubt that by December 2020 it will have been worth my time. Hopefully by the end of the month people will chim in on this thread and say it was useful information. I'm encouraged by the content and tone of this thread. Lots of good information to use moving forward.

Access is unlimited indeed. I'm a bit surprised you don't like the app, and that's great feedback. I should have time by the end of the year to do a video tutorial on both the purchase process and watching on the app.

Good point about perpetuity. I have a 12-year timeline in front of me because my youngest is in first grade. I'll be 55 when she's a senior. I hope to be able to be more involved in coaching after that time. Perhaps that will be a time where Boulder Running Clinics content could transition to another owner. But that's not my goal. My goal is to put on a clinic every year that's fantastic and provide a library of videos to coaches and athletes that is unique. There are other good videos on the site right now. Dr. Messer's videos are fantastic and his three presentations are $25.

Key Point: Gumroad does not charge me to upload a product, so they're the host of the video/data.

When you've watched all four presentations perhaps you will let us know your thoughts on the content.

I'll definitely be purchasing these videos. Thank you for Sharing on LRC!

/mu/tant runner wrote:

Why he look so scary ???

Yes, kind of freakishly intense. Like many coaches unfortunately.

There might be significant unique markets for both delivery methods with little overlap. Much like your book caters to busy adults who want to have good marathons, the streaming package would cater to busy coaches who are also teachers and family men who value being around home on breaks to support a busy, professional S.O. and cannot justify the expense in time and money of traveling to Boulder or another given clinic destination. Streaming option increases access for their professional coaching development, and that seems to be the thrust of your passion. There's value in both, having the weekend immersion of the clinic plus connecting and learning from fellow attendees is clearly key, a truly luxury offering for those for whom that is a realistic option.

Performance apparel tech hadn't really taken off by the late '90s, tech shirts that go for $5 today or come free with race entry would have been $30 back then. I still like cotton on a cool day, though not as a base or only layer. Clint Wells is impressively well-preserved, considering how banged up and broken down Reese, Batliner and others were in the book plus Goucher's take on his own running now.

Best to you and your daughters for the holidays!